NYT/Siena-GA/IA/TX: Tied, Biden +3, Trump +3
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2020, 10:32:38 AM »

Texas:
Austin/San Antonio/South: Biden 50-38 (+12)
Dallas-Fort Worth: Biden 47-34 (+13)
Houston: Biden 51-36 (+15)
Minor: Trump 58-34 (+24)
Rural: Trump 71-25 (+46)

So the only reason Trump leads in Texas is because there are many more undecideds in the big Metros.

Did Clinton win those metros by a lot in 2016? If they were close, it could be alienated suburban Republicans that will eventually 'come home' to Trump, though it seems unlikely.

The 4 county metro in Dallas was tied but if you add a few more counties it was like Trump +5
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2020, 10:35:37 AM »

The notes on Texas's LV model potentially being off (underestimating Biden support) seems ominous for Trump, given that TX is guaranteed to have a different voter pool this cycle. Trump can hang on there, but he's going to somehow have to stem the tide of suburban voters turning out for Biden. Not sure how he plans on doing that.
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2020, 10:40:27 AM »

Weird that Iowa is swinging so much relative to the other two, good for the Senate race I guess. Another good sign for the Senate is that Cornyn is only outrunning Trump by 2 points.


The Gender Gap in Iowa is insanely high , a poll which showed it tied has Trump winning men by 21 points and Biden winning women by 20 points
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2020, 10:43:09 AM »

Yep, Nate said that in the LV screen of most likely to vote, Biden/Trump are tied:

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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2020, 10:45:39 AM »

Wasserman shrewdly observed a couple of weeks ago that if Biden was doing well in Minnesota and Wisconsin, it would make sense that he's doing better in Iowa too. Biden + 3 in Iowa appears a little too generous, but it would make sense that the state is a pure toss-up. Following Wasserman's logic, if Biden is favored in Minnesota and Wisconsin, while Iowa is a toss-up, what does that say about Ohio?
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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2020, 10:46:28 AM »

If you compare Trump's 2016 vote shares to cross-tabs:

IA

Voters 18-29: Trump -8
Voters 30-44: Trump -9
Voters 45-64: Trump -7
Voters 65+: Trump -12

Men: Trump -12
Women: Trump -8

GA

Voters 18-29: Trump +1
Voters 30-44: Trump +3
Voters 45-64: Trump -14
Voters 65+: Trump +1

Men: Trump -9
Women: Trump -4

TX

Voters 18-29: Trump -21
Voters 30-44: Trump -5
Voters 45-64: Trump -8
Voters 65+: Trump -3

Men: Trump -5
Women: Trump -6
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2020, 10:54:38 AM »

Looks like they didn't push undecideds, so we're likely looking at the baseline amount of support for each candidate, especially in the Senate races.

Really highlights the severity of the problems for Trump and Ernst in Iowa, Perdue in Georgia, and Cornyn in Texas.
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2020, 11:00:17 AM »
« Edited: September 24, 2020, 11:06:00 AM by tagimaucia »

Looks like they didn't push undecideds, so we're likely looking at the baseline amount of support for each candidate, especially in the Senate races.

Really highlights the severity of the problems for Trump and Ernst in Iowa, Perdue in Georgia, and Cornyn in Texas.

Do you think Hegar's chances are being underrated by a lot?  I can't help but notice that for how different the margins currently look, Cornyn's actual vote share in polls is 3 less than Trump on average on RCP which is *exactly* the same as Ernst's (to name one example) deficit compared to Trump in Iowa.  
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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2020, 11:08:33 AM »

Looks like they didn't push undecideds, so we're likely looking at the baseline amount of support for each candidate, especially in the Senate races.

Really highlights the severity of the problems for Trump and Ernst in Iowa, Perdue in Georgia, and Cornyn in Texas.

Do you think Hegar's chances are being underrated by a lot?  I can't help but notice that for how different the margins currently look, Cornyn's actual vote share in polls is 3 less than Trump on average on RCP which is *exactly* the same as Ernst's (to name one example) deficit compared to Trump in Iowa.  

If Hegar had Beto-like money then this would be a top-tier race. She has fundraised respectably but Texas is a money pit.
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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2020, 11:13:27 AM »

Interesting.  GA/NC/IA/OH looking a bit more appetizing for Biden than in the summer, FL/TX/AZ a bit less so.
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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2020, 11:14:11 AM »

Hillary 2016 + MI + PA +IA = 274.
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2020, 11:18:09 AM »

too many undecides nate
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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2020, 11:18:30 AM »


There is no universe in which Biden wins Iowa but loses Wisconsin.
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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2020, 11:36:08 AM »

Trump claiming victory in Ohio and Iowa was dumb.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2020, 12:37:17 PM »

Tossup IA
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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2020, 12:54:01 PM »

Looks like Politician was right after all  Tongue

GA
Trump approval: 49/47 (+2)
Favorabilities:
Trump 48/50 (-2)
Biden 47/50 (-3)
Ossoff 39/34 (+5)
Perdue 47/34 (+13)
Harris 46/40 (+6)
Pence 51/41 (+10)
BLM 52/43 (+9)

IA
Trump approval: 48/48 (=)
Favorabilities:
Trump 47/51 (-4)
Biden 47/48 (-1)
Greenfield 45/38 (+7)
Ernst 45/45 (=)
Harris 44/42 (+2)
Pence 44/45 (-1)
BLM 49/42 (+7)

TX
Trump approval: 51/45 (+6)
Favorabilities:
Trump 50/48 (+2)
Biden 50/47 (+3)
Hegar 33/15 (+18)
Cornyn 45/28 (+17)
Harris 42/46 (-4)
Pence 48/42 (+6)
BLM 49/44 (+5)

Hispanics: Biden 57-32


Those are pretty high Trump approvals for a NYT poll.
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2020, 01:25:58 PM »

IA won’t be more Democratic than GA and TX, and Trump’s certainly not holding either GA or TX if he’s trailing by 3 in IA. We’ve seen this movie before.
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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2020, 01:27:01 PM »

Trump claiming victory in Ohio and Iowa was dumb.

I think his campaign can't afford it
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2020, 02:23:32 PM »

Wasserman shrewdly observed a couple of weeks ago that if Biden was doing well in Minnesota and Wisconsin, it would make sense that he's doing better in Iowa too. Biden + 3 in Iowa appears a little too generous, but it would make sense that the state is a pure toss-up. Following Wasserman's logic, if Biden is favored in Minnesota and Wisconsin, while Iowa is a toss-up, what does that say about Ohio?

Ohio would be Lean R in that scenario. It's not as set in stone for Trump as many believe but I don't think it ultimately flips.
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2020, 03:28:01 PM »

Trump claiming victory in Ohio and Iowa was dumb.

It’s not so much about claiming victory as it is the fact that if they lose those states, they’ve already lost. So they had to prioritize elsewhere, especially with limited funds.
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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2020, 03:28:43 PM »

Yep, Nate said that in the LV screen of most likely to vote, Biden/Trump are tied:



WTF screen did they use then to end up with Trump +3?
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2020, 04:15:14 PM »

This was announced on Friday, but ICYMI.

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