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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2020, 08:57:09 AM »

Don't you love it when you're tied in a state you won by nine points in the previous election?

The Trump campaign is playing 4D chess.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2020, 08:57:20 AM »

Favorables:
Biden 43/51 (-8, was 45/50)
Trump 48/49 (-1, was 45/52)

Curious that the toplines are about the same as June, yet Trump's favorable went from -7 to -1. Makes me think this may be a slightly R-skewing sample. Given the events of the past few months, I find it hard to believe it swing that much in his favor.
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2020, 09:04:00 AM »

Favorables:
Biden 43/51 (-8, was 45/50)
Trump 48/49 (-1, was 45/52)

Curious that the toplines are about the same as June, yet Trump's favorable went from -7 to -1. Makes me think this may be a slightly R-skewing sample. Given the events of the past few months, I find it hard to believe it swing that much in his favor.

Approval of Trump’s handling of COVID went from -8 to -10, however.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2020, 09:16:07 AM »

Favorables:
Biden 43/51 (-8, was 45/50)
Trump 48/49 (-1, was 45/52)

Curious that the toplines are about the same as June, yet Trump's favorable went from -7 to -1. Makes me think this may be a slightly R-skewing sample. Given the events of the past few months, I find it hard to believe it swing that much in his favor.

Approval of Trump’s handling of COVID went from -8 to -10, however.

This is true, which makes it all the more weirder that his fav rating jumped. If we were talking like -7 to -5 or something, that's totally believable... but to jump 6%... weird.
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2020, 09:28:57 AM »

Absolutely horrible for Trump. This is the equivalent of HRC heading into her re-election with VA tied with a high-quality pollster, to put in perspective how deep Trump is in trouble.
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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2020, 09:46:43 AM »

Favorables:
Biden 43/51 (-8, was 45/50)
Trump 48/49 (-1, was 45/52)

Curious that the toplines are about the same as June, yet Trump's favorable went from -7 to -1. Makes me think this may be a slightly R-skewing sample. Given the events of the past few months, I find it hard to believe it swing that much in his favor.

Approval of Trump’s handling of COVID went from -8 to -10, however.

This is true, which makes it all the more weirder that his fav rating jumped. If we were talking like -7 to -5 or something, that's totally believable... but to jump 6%... weird.

It also goes against every other bit of polling which showed Biden's favorability surging after the conventions while Trump's remaining stagnant.
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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2020, 09:47:55 AM »

Favorables:
Biden 43/51 (-8, was 45/50)
Trump 48/49 (-1, was 45/52)

Curious that the toplines are about the same as June, yet Trump's favorable went from -7 to -1. Makes me think this may be a slightly R-skewing sample. Given the events of the past few months, I find it hard to believe it swing that much in his favor.

Approval of Trump’s handling of COVID went from -8 to -10, however.

This is true, which makes it all the more weirder that his fav rating jumped. If we were talking like -7 to -5 or something, that's totally believable... but to jump 6%... weird.

It also goes against every other bit of polling which showed Biden's favorability surging after the conventions while Trump's remaining stagnant.

Yeah, I'd like to see the crosstabs out of curiosity, especially with Biden winning Independents by 13% too. I wonder if it's a wonky sample or like we've seen in some other states where particularly young people say they are "unfavorable" of Biden but are still voting for him.
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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2020, 10:01:23 AM »

Good, considering how terrible Biden did there in the caucus ...

Pete Buttigieg would be leading Trump by 15 points there right now.

Primary results are meaningless in a GE. Trump lost the WI GOP primary in April 2016 while the state later became key to his upset victory.

Anyway a good poll for Biden. Still think he'll fail to win IA, but there's going to be a significant shift.
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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2020, 10:16:35 AM »

If Iowa is even closed to tied, it means MN, NE-02, and WI are gone for Trump.
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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2020, 10:24:27 AM »

The pandemic hit Iowa hard. In March this same pollster had Trump up 10, so he's lost 4% and Biden has gained 6% since then. What will probably happen in November is that Eastern Iowa will swing back Democratic and the Des Moines metro area will swing hard toward Biden. Whether it is enough or not will remain to be seen, but Iowa is still a battleground.
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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2020, 10:44:15 AM »

Biden is outrunning his approval by 4 points. That’s a great sign for him.
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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2020, 10:52:47 AM »

If Trump only wins Iowa by 1 or less, than Ernst likely loses.
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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2020, 10:55:20 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2020, 11:06:45 AM by EastOfEden »

IOWA ELASTICITY

More seriously though...Ohio/Iowa 2020 is Indiana/Missouri 2008. The unexpectedly Democratic two states, and the one that people expected to flip less votes more D.
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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2020, 10:57:45 AM »

Based on conventional 2016 wisdom, you'd expect to see near double-digit margins for Biden in more Democratic-friendly midwestern states if IA was tied.

Interestingly, IA's gap with WI was larger in 2016 than any recent election (IA voted almost 9% to the right of WI, while in 2012 it voted just 1% to the right of WI). Comparing current polling averages, IA is just 5% to the right of WI this cycle. I'm not so sure the gap this election between IA and neighboring states will be so large compared to 2016. I could see IA just barely going to Trump and Biden winning by a few points in WI and MN.
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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2020, 11:01:48 AM »

658 likely voters
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« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2020, 11:03:08 AM »


Nothing new for Selzer, tbf.
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« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2020, 11:03:37 AM »


Larger sample size doesn't equal more accuracy. I'd trust Selzer, which got Trump's 2016 margin (and the trends) nearly perfect when other polls were far off.
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« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2020, 11:09:19 AM »

Oh s**t.
Keep in mind this is coming from the Gold Standard of Iowa polling.

If at all true, Trump should give up.
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« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2020, 11:16:18 AM »

Oh s**t.
Keep in mind this is coming from the Gold Standard of Iowa polling.

If at all true, Trump should give up.

Spoiler...is not true.
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« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2020, 11:17:51 AM »

Oh s**t.
Keep in mind this is coming from the Gold Standard of Iowa polling.

If at all true, Trump should give up.

Spoiler...is not true.
It’s possible, but we don’t have any evidence for that.
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« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2020, 11:27:57 AM »

Oh s**t.
Keep in mind this is coming from the Gold Standard of Iowa polling.

If at all true, Trump should give up.

Spoiler...is not true.

It's over, Sergei. And it's none of your business anyway since you admitted that you don't even live in this country.
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« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2020, 12:01:00 PM »

The reason Iowa will be more elastic than a bunch of other states this fall is that... its extremely white.  Whites have swung to the left post-2016 much more significantly than non-whites.
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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2020, 12:08:41 PM »

Favorables:
Biden 43/51 (-8, was 45/50)
Trump 48/49 (-1, was 45/52)
interesting movement, seems counterintuitive
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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2020, 12:30:10 PM »

Tie-owa
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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2020, 12:31:47 PM »

Good, considering how terrible Biden did there in the caucus ...

Pete Buttigieg would be leading Trump by 15 points there right now.

lol, sure he would. I guess Bernie would be leading him by 16% then.
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