Republicans’ problems with young voters go far deeper than Trump

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

18-29 year old voters have been shifting more Republican vs the national average since the 2008 Obama landslide, in 2008 18-29 year old voters went for Obama by 36%, he won nationally by 7% so those voters were 29% more democratic than the average, in 2012, he won 18-29 year old voters by 23%, whilst winning nationally by 4%, so they were 19% more democratic than the nation, in 2016, Clinton won 18-29 year olds by 19%, whilst winning by 2 so 18-29 year old voters were 17% more democratic than the average. In 2004 18-29 year old voters were 11% more democratic than the national average so they are not that much more democratic now in relative terms.

I am pretty sure relative to the national vote, 18-29 year olds will be even less democratic this year then they were in 2016, regardless of whether Trump or Biden win.


The GOP I think does have an issue with young voters but it is not an overwhelming one, if we think about it in terms of the 2 party vote, Romney won 38% of the 18-29 year old 2 party vote, Trump got 40%, now 40% is obviously not 50%, but getting from 40% of the 2 party vote to 45% or higher is not that hard.

There is a country where there is a gigantic age gap, but it is not America, it is the UK, the UK Conservatives should be worried about how poorly they do with young voters, their numbers among young voters are catastrophic.

Dream on. Your entire post is a bunch of BS.

Great debate you are making to his counter argument with factual stats although he forgot to cite the exit polls

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?mtrref=www.google.com&assetType=REGIWALL

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

There we go.

Once again, dream on!

67% of young voters (ages 18-29) in 2018 voted for Democratic candidates in 2018 (SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/940411/2018-midterm-election-exit-polls-votes-by-age/)


Also, this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NPR/status/1308025764848205824

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1304260135796314112

Again legitimate point, Im not dreaming or anything, Im just bringing up 2008 and 2016 as factual analysis. Also isn't the 2nd poll you have just college students?

Still young voters. Also, most current college students are (by most sources) the oldest members of Gen Z. Gen Z seems to be slightly more Democratic than even Millennials.

[lfromnj]

18-29 year old voters have been shifting more Republican vs the national average since the 2008 Obama landslide, in 2008 18-29 year old voters went for Obama by 36%, he won nationally by 7% so those voters were 29% more democratic than the average, in 2012, he won 18-29 year old voters by 23%, whilst winning nationally by 4%, so they were 19% more democratic than the nation, in 2016, Clinton won 18-29 year olds by 19%, whilst winning by 2 so 18-29 year old voters were 17% more democratic than the average. In 2004 18-29 year old voters were 11% more democratic than the national average so they are not that much more democratic now in relative terms.

I am pretty sure relative to the national vote, 18-29 year olds will be even less democratic this year then they were in 2016, regardless of whether Trump or Biden win.


The GOP I think does have an issue with young voters but it is not an overwhelming one, if we think about it in terms of the 2 party vote, Romney won 38% of the 18-29 year old 2 party vote, Trump got 40%, now 40% is obviously not 50%, but getting from 40% of the 2 party vote to 45% or higher is not that hard.

There is a country where there is a gigantic age gap, but it is not America, it is the UK, the UK Conservatives should be worried about how poorly they do with young voters, their numbers among young voters are catastrophic.

Dream on. Your entire post is a bunch of BS.

Great debate you are making to his counter argument with factual stats although he forgot to cite the exit polls

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?mtrref=www.google.com&assetType=REGIWALL

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

There we go.

Once again, dream on!

67% of young voters (ages 18-29) in 2018 voted for Democratic candidates in 2018 (SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/940411/2018-midterm-election-exit-polls-votes-by-age/)


Also, this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NPR/status/1308025764848205824

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1304260135796314112

Again legitimate point, Im not dreaming or anything, Im just bringing up 2008 and 2016 as factual analysis. Also isn't the 2nd poll you have just college students?

Still young voters. Also, most current college students are (by most sources) the oldest members of Gen Z. Gen Z seems to be slightly more Democratic than even Millennials.

Of course the GOP has a problem, the point is that people on atlas and dems in general are getting too excited about a permanent majority which I am warning about.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

18-29 year old voters have been shifting more Republican vs the national average since the 2008 Obama landslide, in 2008 18-29 year old voters went for Obama by 36%, he won nationally by 7% so those voters were 29% more democratic than the average, in 2012, he won 18-29 year old voters by 23%, whilst winning nationally by 4%, so they were 19% more democratic than the nation, in 2016, Clinton won 18-29 year olds by 19%, whilst winning by 2 so 18-29 year old voters were 17% more democratic than the average. In 2004 18-29 year old voters were 11% more democratic than the national average so they are not that much more democratic now in relative terms.

I am pretty sure relative to the national vote, 18-29 year olds will be even less democratic this year then they were in 2016, regardless of whether Trump or Biden win.


The GOP I think does have an issue with young voters but it is not an overwhelming one, if we think about it in terms of the 2 party vote, Romney won 38% of the 18-29 year old 2 party vote, Trump got 40%, now 40% is obviously not 50%, but getting from 40% of the 2 party vote to 45% or higher is not that hard.

There is a country where there is a gigantic age gap, but it is not America, it is the UK, the UK Conservatives should be worried about how poorly they do with young voters, their numbers among young voters are catastrophic.

Dream on. Your entire post is a bunch of BS.

Great debate you are making to his counter argument with factual stats although he forgot to cite the exit polls

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?mtrref=www.google.com&assetType=REGIWALL

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

There we go.

Once again, dream on!

67% of young voters (ages 18-29) in 2018 voted for Democratic candidates in 2018 (SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/940411/2018-midterm-election-exit-polls-votes-by-age/)


Also, this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NPR/status/1308025764848205824

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1304260135796314112

Again legitimate point, Im not dreaming or anything, Im just bringing up 2008 and 2016 as factual analysis. Also isn't the 2nd poll you have just college students?

Still young voters. Also, most current college students are (by most sources) the oldest members of Gen Z. Gen Z seems to be slightly more Democratic than even Millennials.

Of course the GOP has a problem, the point is that people on atlas and dems in general are getting too excited about a permanent majority which I am warning about.

My posts never mentioned a "permanent majority" for the Democrats or anyone. I was just calling out BS.

Also, I'm one of the legions of young voters that will never support the Republican Party for the foreseeable future (and probably never in my lifetime). I'm 21 years old, BTW.

[Badger]

18-29 year old voters have been shifting more Republican vs the national average since the 2008 Obama landslide, in 2008 18-29 year old voters went for Obama by 36%, he won nationally by 7% so those voters were 29% more democratic than the average, in 2012, he won 18-29 year old voters by 23%, whilst winning nationally by 4%, so they were 19% more democratic than the nation, in 2016, Clinton won 18-29 year olds by 19%, whilst winning by 2 so 18-29 year old voters were 17% more democratic than the average. In 2004 18-29 year old voters were 11% more democratic than the national average so they are not that much more democratic now in relative terms.

I am pretty sure relative to the national vote, 18-29 year olds will be even less democratic this year then they were in 2016, regardless of whether Trump or Biden win.


The GOP I think does have an issue with young voters but it is not an overwhelming one, if we think about it in terms of the 2 party vote, Romney won 38% of the 18-29 year old 2 party vote, Trump got 40%, now 40% is obviously not 50%, but getting from 40% of the 2 party vote to 45% or higher is not that hard.

There is a country where there is a gigantic age gap, but it is not America, it is the UK, the UK Conservatives should be worried about how poorly they do with young voters, their numbers among young voters are catastrophic.

Dream on. Your entire post is a bunch of BS.

Great debate you are making to his counter argument with factual stats although he forgot to cite the exit polls

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?mtrref=www.google.com&assetType=REGIWALL

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

There we go.

Once again, dream on!

67% of young voters (ages 18-29) in 2018 voted for Democratic candidates in 2018 (SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/940411/2018-midterm-election-exit-polls-votes-by-age/)


Also, this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NPR/status/1308025764848205824

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1304260135796314112

Again legitimate point, Im not dreaming or anything, Im just bringing up 2008 and 2016 as factual analysis. Also isn't the 2nd poll you have just college students?

Still young voters. Also, most current college students are (by most sources) the oldest members of Gen Z. Gen Z seems to be slightly more Democratic than even Millennials.

Of course the GOP has a problem, the point is that people on atlas and dems in general are getting too excited about a permanent majority which I am warning about.

While New Frontiers initial response lacked statistical analysis, the 2018 election showed under 30 voters voting about 13 or 14 points left of the nation as a whole, considering the Congressional popular vote was almost + 9 d.

Even if that latter poll is only college students arrive in all under 30 voters, it doesn't take much to reasonably extrapolate that youth are going to vote increasingly more democratic friendly this year then they did even in 2018.

While the liberal youth vote was largely a myth for decades, it has as you pointed out started to solidify basically from the millennials turning voting age up for the present. Like voters of color, this is a growing portion of our electorate, both of which Republicans have effectively decided to not even bother seriously trying to appeal to, but rather doing their damnedest to squeeze out. This is why things like the federal Judiciary and voter depression in States like North Carolina and Texas are literally life-and-death struggles for the Republican Party. They can't rely on winning the popular vote any longer, so they need every anti-democratic measure to preserve their power for the foreseeable future.

[Yoda]

"They aren’t being driven left by their college professors, but rather by the Republican Party’s spectacular record of policy failure in the 21st century, and getting rid of Trump won’t be nearly enough to win them back."

I mean, yeh. I'm 38, and this is basically every single person I know around my age when they talk about politics/republicans to a T. Almost my entire adult life has consisted of incompetent, corrupt republican politicians fighting furiously (and successfully) to reduce my generation's quality of life so they can shovel more money to conservative boomers and the oligarch/corporate overlord class. I can't picture a scenario where I vote republican in any race of any importance for the rest of my life.

[Yoda]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

This pretty much describes every libertarian I've ever met, and it speaks to why their presidential candidates can never get more than ~1-3% of the vote. Libertarians strike me as the Goth Kids of political parties. Sit in a Denny's all night drinking coffee, talking about how stupid and awful everyone but them is, sharing their utter disdain for those who don't wear all black, and stiffing the server for good measure.

[Santander]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

This pretty much describes every libertarian I've ever met, and it speaks to why their presidential candidates can never get more than ~1-3% of the vote. Libertarians strike me as the Goth Kids of political parties. Sit in a Denny's all night drinking coffee, talking about how stupid and awful everyone but them is, sharing their utter disdain for those who don't wear all black, and stiffing the server for good measure.

Libertarianism is a phase, not an ideology. 99% of people grow out of it.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

Is there anything to libertarianism other than smoking pot and being a contrarian solely to feel intellectually superior to the masses 😬😜

[Beet]

The older I get, the more libertarian I get. Every day we see examples of the kind of cretins who run our government and politics. They have no principles at all. You don't want these people telling you what to do. They have no right.

[lfromnj]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

This pretty much describes every libertarian I've ever met, and it speaks to why their presidential candidates can never get more than ~1-3% of the vote. Libertarians strike me as the Goth Kids of political parties. Sit in a Denny's all night drinking coffee, talking about how stupid and awful everyone but them is, sharing their utter disdain for those who don't wear all black, and stiffing the server for good measure.

Libertarianism is a phase, not an ideology. 99% of people grow out of it.

What happened to deado?

[Badger]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

Is there anything to libertarianism other than smoking pot and being a contrarian solely to feel intellectually superior to the masses 😬😜

Well, there's hating poor people and Welfare too.

[Badger]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

This pretty much describes every libertarian I've ever met, and it speaks to why their presidential candidates can never get more than ~1-3% of the vote. Libertarians strike me as the Goth Kids of political parties. Sit in a Denny's all night drinking coffee, talking about how stupid and awful everyone but them is, sharing their utter disdain for those who don't wear all black, and stiffing the server for good measure.

Libertarianism is a phase, not an ideology. 99% of people grow out of it.

What happened to deado?

The 1%

Don't fairness don't forget I believe he recently announced he's going to suck it up and vote for Biden because Trump is, as all people of good mind realize, the devil, and must be stopped.

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

Is there anything to libertarianism other than smoking pot and being a contrarian solely to feel intellectually superior to the masses 😬😜

Well, there's hating poor people and Welfare too.

Libertarians care more about the poor than any other ideological group.

[Badger]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

Is there anything to libertarianism other than smoking pot and being a contrarian solely to feel intellectually superior to the masses 😬😜

Well, there's hating poor people and Welfare too.

Libertarians care more about the poor than any other ideological group.

o rly?? Pray tell, explain please. (grabs popcorn)

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

I'm disgusted by the leftism of my generation, but if you want to win young people over to the right, you need to start by providing a credible counterargument to the left's benign Malthusian paternalistic nanny-state Chicken-Little doomsday socialism. Until Trump, Trumpism, and the illiterate boomer mob that enables him have all been expunged from political power, it will be impossible to do that.

Just embrace the leftism. Being popular is fun.

I feel gross when I agree with people. Consensus makes my stomach ache.

Is there anything to libertarianism other than smoking pot and being a contrarian solely to feel intellectually superior to the masses 😬😜

Well, there's hating poor people and Welfare too.

Libertarians care more about the poor than any other ideological group.

o rly?? Pray tell, explain please. (grabs popcorn)

Market capitalism has improved the welfare and standards of living for all people-- rich, poor, male, female, white, black, or gay-- more than any leftist ideology ever has in the history of the planet.

[Where's the Epstein Client List?]

Of course the GOP has a problem, the point is that people on atlas and dems in general are getting too excited about a permanent majority which I am warning about.

They could have a "long-term majority" not unlike the one they enjoyed for most of the mid-20th century due to the Greatest Generation and the Early Silent Generation being extremely Democratic leaning after Republican governance failed them miserably.

[Annatar]

18-29 year old voters have been shifting more Republican vs the national average since the 2008 Obama landslide, in 2008 18-29 year old voters went for Obama by 36%, he won nationally by 7% so those voters were 29% more democratic than the average, in 2012, he won 18-29 year old voters by 23%, whilst winning nationally by 4%, so they were 19% more democratic than the nation, in 2016, Clinton won 18-29 year olds by 19%, whilst winning by 2 so 18-29 year old voters were 17% more democratic than the average. In 2004 18-29 year old voters were 11% more democratic than the national average so they are not that much more democratic now in relative terms.

I am pretty sure relative to the national vote, 18-29 year olds will be even less democratic this year then they were in 2016, regardless of whether Trump or Biden win.


The GOP I think does have an issue with young voters but it is not an overwhelming one, if we think about it in terms of the 2 party vote, Romney won 38% of the 18-29 year old 2 party vote, Trump got 40%, now 40% is obviously not 50%, but getting from 40% of the 2 party vote to 45% or higher is not that hard.

There is a country where there is a gigantic age gap, but it is not America, it is the UK, the UK Conservatives should be worried about how poorly they do with young voters, their numbers among young voters are catastrophic.

Dream on. Your entire post is a bunch of BS.

Great debate you are making to his counter argument with factual stats although he forgot to cite the exit polls

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?mtrref=www.google.com&assetType=REGIWALL

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

There we go.

Once again, dream on!

67% of young voters (ages 18-29) in 2018 voted for Democratic candidates in 2018 (SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/940411/2018-midterm-election-exit-polls-votes-by-age/)


Also, this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NPR/status/1308025764848205824

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1304260135796314112

I'm comparing presidential years since they are the ones with the highest turnout, I could have used 2010 and 2014 exit polls to argue Republicans have no issue with young voters but it would have been disingenuous, also you can't compare polls with exit polls, there were dozens of polls in 2016 showing Clinton winning 18-29 year old voters by 30%, 40% etc, she only won them by 19%, these sub-group polls of young voters etc always seem to be really favourable for democrats.

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

I'm close to getting Bingo in a number of directions, please let's finish this conversation.

[PSOL]

I'm close to getting Bingo in a number of directions, please let's finish this conversation.

I cross 6 out of the total 12 straight lines. I feel like a euphoric champ.

Give me that D Daddy Carter!

[lfromnj]

I'm close to getting Bingo in a number of directions, please let's finish this conversation.

"I'm a libertarian! I'm a libertarian!"

Has sampled 31 flavors of boot

Hey we got the burn your property in the other thread.

[Anni di ghiaccio]

When they start crapping out memes they found on 8chan, it's a good reminder of why ignoring all yellow avatars is a great idea. Vacuity has a right to be expressed but no requirement to be heard.

The older I get, the more libertarian I get. Every day we see examples of the kind of cretins who run our government and politics. They have no principles at all. You don't want these people telling you what to do. They have no right.

Dude, you were voting for Trump, then Biden, then Jony and the Brony? I'm pretty sure that's all just in the last week, too. Are you really that indecisive or is this an elaborate prank?

[The Righteous Tip of the Abundance Spear]

When they start crapping out memes they found on 8chan, it's a good reminder of why ignoring all yellow avatars is a great idea. Vacuity has a right to be expressed but no requirement to be heard.

With every post you make, I become more certain that a libertarian must've stolen your girl at some point.

[Santander]

When they start crapping out memes they found on 8chan, it's a good reminder of why ignoring all yellow avatars is a great idea. Vacuity has a right to be expressed but no requirement to be heard.

With every post you make, I become more certain that a libertarian must've stolen your girl at some point.

That assumes he could get one. And libertarians prefer anime body pillows.

[Intell]

Most libertarians grow out of libertarianism, all of the libertarian I knew became socialists if they were economically downscale/middle but culturally liberal, trumpets if they were culturally conservative or socially liberal/fiscally moderate if they were economically prosperous but culturally liberal.

[Former President tack50]

I'm close to getting Bingo in a number of directions, please let's finish this conversation.

I will help you get Bingo

Libertarians are pedophiles, unlike us leftists who value consent