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Question: Court-packing gets taken off the table permanently, regardless of future developments, and the 2020 Presidential election winner fills Ginsberg's seat.
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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2020, 05:46:35 PM »

Republicans set the precedent in 2016, and because precedents determine judicial findings we can stick with it. They burned Democrats once and they can get burned this time.

The only way in which Trump should get someone through is if that nominee is a moderate of unblemished character. and a great legal mind.  Of course all three counts are impossible for a President who thinks that everything in the government is something in which he has the potential for meddling, who exudes extremism, whose character is horrid, and who would not recognize a great legal mind if he read an opinion.

I would not be surprised if Joe Biden sees some openings in the Supreme Court during his term even if he is a one-term President. 

He's basically guaranteed to get a nomination in the first year of his term (Breyer). Thomas is more questionable, but who knows.

Anyway, it's a good deal if you want to avoid a constitutional crisis. If Trump appoints Amy Coney Barrett to Ginsburg's seat, there's a good chance that the Dem response of court-packing is met with a 5-4 one-line ruling overturning the bill to add justices.
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« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2020, 06:04:09 PM »

Republicans set the precedent in 2016, and because precedents determine judicial findings we can stick with it. They burned Democrats once and they can get burned this time.

The only way in which Trump should get someone through is if that nominee is a moderate of unblemished character. and a great legal mind.  Of course all three counts are impossible for a President who thinks that everything in the government is something in which he has the potential for meddling, who exudes extremism, whose character is horrid, and who would not recognize a great legal mind if he read an opinion.

I would not be surprised if Joe Biden sees some openings in the Supreme Court during his term even if he is a one-term President. 

He's basically guaranteed to get a nomination in the first year of his term (Breyer). Thomas is more questionable, but who knows.

Anyway, it's a good deal if you want to avoid a constitutional crisis. If Trump appoints Amy Coney Barrett to Ginsburg's seat, there's a good chance that the Dem response of court-packing is met with a 5-4 one-line ruling overturning the bill to add justices.
Oh God as bad as court packing is, that ruling would be even worse .
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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2020, 12:24:54 PM »

Republicans set the precedent in 2016, and because precedents determine judicial findings we can stick with it. They burned Democrats once and they can get burned this time.

The only way in which Trump should get someone through is if that nominee is a moderate of unblemished character. and a great legal mind.  Of course all three counts are impossible for a President who thinks that everything in the government is something in which he has the potential for meddling, who exudes extremism, whose character is horrid, and who would not recognize a great legal mind if he read an opinion.

I would not be surprised if Joe Biden sees some openings in the Supreme Court during his term even if he is a one-term President. 

He's basically guaranteed to get a nomination in the first year of his term (Breyer). Thomas is more questionable, but who knows.

Worst case scenario. Biden is elected, but Thomas steps down after the election and Trump quickly gets nominated a replacement which McConnell confirms.

I don't think Thomas is likely to do that as like Ginsburg he enjoys what he's doing, but I can't think of anything else right now that would pour even more fuel on the firestorm that is coming.
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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2020, 12:28:18 PM »

No (R)...why would we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?!
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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2020, 04:21:35 PM »

No. This deal does not rectify the issue of Gorsuch's stolen seat. If Gorsuch gets removed from the court in the deal, then sure, I'm in.

If you are still angry about Merrick Garland, you could just give him Ginsberg's seat.

And it would be inherently unfair to punish Gorsuch for what Republicans and McConnell did to Garland, a point which I've made before. That would be a sort of political ex post facto action, if you could call it such.
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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2020, 07:00:31 PM »

Assuming that they'll be held to keep their word in case of a Biden victory (ie, no lameduck confirmation) then yes, absolutely.
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« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2020, 10:35:05 PM »

How about:

1. Trump appoints Barrett
2. the Senate can add 2 more Justices, to be appointed next term by whoever wins
3. filibuster stays
4. Hyde amendment is kept
5. Congress completely removes ACA mandate, making the Court challenge to it moot.
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« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2020, 01:00:56 AM »

     Yes. I would even give Ginsburg's seat to any name the Democratic Party leadership desires, if in return a Constitutional amendment gets passed fixing the number of seats at nine and massively overhauling the judicial selection process so the SCOTUS does not become politicized again in the future.
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« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2020, 01:13:22 AM »

Republicans set the precedent in 2016, and because precedents determine judicial findings we can stick with it. They burned Democrats once and they can get burned this time.

The only way in which Trump should get someone through is if that nominee is a moderate of unblemished character. and a great legal mind.  Of course all three counts are impossible for a President who thinks that everything in the government is something in which he has the potential for meddling, who exudes extremism, whose character is horrid, and who would not recognize a great legal mind if he read an opinion.

I would not be surprised if Joe Biden sees some openings in the Supreme Court during his term even if he is a one-term President. 

He's basically guaranteed to get a nomination in the first year of his term (Breyer). Thomas is more questionable, but who knows.

Anyway, it's a good deal if you want to avoid a constitutional crisis. If Trump appoints Amy Coney Barrett to Ginsburg's seat, there's a good chance that the Dem response of court-packing is met with a 5-4 one-line ruling overturning the bill to add justices.
Oh God as bad as court packing is, that ruling would be even worse .

It plays into what the right wants very well...destruction of US institutions and eroding any legitimacy of the court.
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« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2020, 01:23:17 AM »

The only deal I would take is John "there are no Trump or Obama Judges" Roberts agreeing to resign in 21.

The Chief is about equal to 2 seats.
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