The fight to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg megathread

[Tintrlvr]

The only question now is, will Biden add 2 or 4 seats?

6,no point adding 2 might as well shove all you can in.

4 has a good rationale (the Supreme Court was originally supposed to have the same number of Justices as there are Circuits, and there are 13 Circuits nowadays).

2 would be ridiculously dumb.

[redjohn]

Time to stand up for the future, Democrats in the Senate. There's been no choice but to pack the court since McConnell stole Scalia's seat in 2016. If the court is not packed, we will lose any semblance of democracy in this country.

[Senator Incitatus]

Thread title should be fixed. There was no "fight."

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

The only question now is, will Biden add 2 or 4 seats?

6,no point adding 2 might as well shove all you can in.

4 has a good rationale (the Supreme Court was originally supposed to have the same number of Justices as there are Circuits, and there are 13 Circuits nowadays).

2 would be ridiculously dumb.

2 is easy to justify, though. It compensates for the hypocrisy of confirming both Gorsuch and Coney-Barrett. Going further than that justifies retaliatory court-packing measures.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The only question now is, will Biden add 2 or 4 seats?

6,no point adding 2 might as well shove all you can in.

4 has a good rationale (the Supreme Court was originally supposed to have the same number of Justices as there are Circuits, and there are 13 Circuits nowadays).

2 would be ridiculously dumb.

2 is easy to justify, though. It compensates for the hypocrisy of confirming both Gorsuch and Coney-Barrett. Going further than that justifies retaliatory court-packing measures.

Dude they were using Robert Freakin Bork throughout the trial to justify there actions. They’re going to retaliate regardless so might as well go big

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

The only question now is, will Biden add 2 or 4 seats?

6,no point adding 2 might as well shove all you can in.

4 has a good rationale (the Supreme Court was originally supposed to have the same number of Justices as there are Circuits, and there are 13 Circuits nowadays).

2 would be ridiculously dumb.

2 is easy to justify, though. It compensates for the hypocrisy of confirming both Gorsuch and Coney-Barrett. Going further than that justifies retaliatory court-packing measures.

Dude they were using Robert Freakin Bork throughout the trial to justify there actions. They’re going to retaliate regardless so might as well go big

Maybe but if we keep them from having a trifecta into the 2030s, things could change. I really don't see how we could convince the American people that adding 4 justices is fair.

[OSR stands with Israel]

We cant let Democrats take the senate, come on Tillis, Ernst, Daines and Perdue

[Xing]

Can we at least stop pretending that the Republican Party cares about anything beyond “owning the libs” and forcing their agenda, regardless of what a majority of Americans actually want? I still don’t believe that this has anything to do with abortion, and everything to do with gaining, maintaining power, and being protected from what the majority might want.

If you don’t care about anyone left-leaning in this country, and just want to force your desires on everyone, at least own it, and don’t pretend to care about institutions, or cry foul when Democrats aren’t bending over backwards to appeal to conservatives.

[GoTfan]

We cant let Democrats take the senate, come on Tillis, Ernst, Daines and Perdue

Your party wants to create an autocracy.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Can we at least stop pretending that the Republican Party cares about anything beyond “owning the libs” and forcing their agenda, regardless of what a majority of Americans actually want? I still don’t believe that this has anything to do with abortion, and everything to do with gaining, maintaining power, and being protected from what the majority might want.

If you don’t care about anyone left-leaning in this country, and just want to force your desires on everyone, at least own it, and don’t pretend to care about institutions, or cry foul when Democrats aren’t bending over backwards to appeal to conservatives.

Maybe it's ageist of me to say, but I can't help but feel really pissed off seeing how old Mitch McConnell is. I'll be pissing on his grave fifty years from now when parts of this country are underwater, income inequality is at record highs, we begin to rival China in personal freedoms, and voting quite literally doesn't matter as our masters get to decide every ten years where their cattle goes.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Manchin...of all Democrats, complaining about how politicians can divide the country?

Lmao.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1320898650848059394?s=20

I believe her.

[GoTfan]

https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1320898650848059394?s=20

I believe her.

No one with a brain believes her.

[GeneralMacArthur]

To echo what the other posters have said:

The GOP is an utterly disgusting, completely amoral, anti-American organization that consistently torches traditional American democratic values in the name of short-term partisan gain, and this is their pinnacle.  Checks and balances are now out the window as the GOP has turned the Judicial Branch into an extension of the Legislative Branch, and fully intend to use it to maintain control of the Executive and Legislative branches long after voters have turned against the party.

Democrats are fully justified in packing the courts.  This is the bed the GOP has made by turning the Supreme Court from a non-partisan institution into an extension of the legislative branch that the party in power dominates by any means necessary.  That's the game the GOP wants to play, now they can suffer, and I hope they suffer terribly.  I hope the blue avatar hypocrites on this board cry for days when we bring back the Voting Rights Act that John Roberts repealed.

This is the environment the Republicans have created.  Naked partisanship, pure hatred, no-rules anti-democratic gamesmanship.  Democrats didn't want it to be this way.  Barack Obama had deep and naïve faith in high-minded ideals of bipartisanship, cooperation, and democratic norms; he was rewarded with six years of hyper-partisan brinksmanship and obstruction, capped off with the stonewalling of a Supreme Court nominee.  The Republican Party has made it clear that they want to go down that path.  No Republican has any right to complain when Democrats decide to take the same path.

And the thing is, we Democrats don't want to take this path.  We are still the party of Obama and Biden, and the vast majority of us want things to work.  We want our democracy to work.  We want to live in that country Obama dreamed about.  But the only way to get there is to defeat you so thoroughly that you give up on this path.  The only way to restore our democracy is to utterly annihilate the enemy, the party that has spent the last decade seeking to undermine and destroy it.

[Xeuma]

Can we at least stop pretending that the Republican Party cares about anything beyond “owning the libs” and forcing their agenda, regardless of what a majority of Americans actually want? I still don’t believe that this has anything to do with abortion, and everything to do with gaining, maintaining power, and being protected from what the majority might want.

If you don’t care about anyone left-leaning in this country, and just want to force your desires on everyone, at least own it, and don’t pretend to care about institutions, or cry foul when Democrats aren’t bending over backwards to appeal to conservatives.

Does the Democratic Party not care about forcing through their agenda? I remember once upon a time the ACA was deeply unpopular yet they pushed it through anyways. That seems like a silly line of attack—the point of parties at all is to organize people to push their agenda through.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

To echo what the other posters have said:

The GOP is an utterly disgusting, completely amoral, anti-American organization that consistently torches traditional American democratic values in the name of short-term partisan gain, and this is their pinnacle.  Checks and balances are now out the window as the GOP has turned the Judicial Branch into an extension of the Legislative Branch, and fully intend to use it to maintain control of the Executive and Legislative branches long after voters have turned against the party.

Democrats are fully justified in packing the courts.  This is the bed the GOP has made by turning the Supreme Court from a non-partisan institution into an extension of the legislative branch that the party in power dominates by any means necessary.  That's the game the GOP wants to play, now they can suffer, and I hope they suffer terribly.  I hope the blue avatar hypocrites on this board cry for days when we bring back the Voting Rights Act that John Roberts repealed.

This is the environment the Republicans have created.  Naked partisanship, pure hatred, no-rules anti-democratic gamesmanship.  Democrats didn't want it to be this way.  Barack Obama had deep and naïve faith in high-minded ideals of bipartisanship, cooperation, and democratic norms; he was rewarded with six years of hyper-partisan brinksmanship and obstruction, capped off with the stonewalling of a Supreme Court nominee.  The Republican Party has made it clear that they want to go down that path.  No Republican has any right to complain when Democrats decide to take the same path.

And the thing is, we Democrats don't want to take this path.  We are still the party of Obama and Biden, and the vast majority of us want things to work.  We want our democracy to work.  We want to live in that country Obama dreamed about.  But the only way to get there is to defeat you so thoroughly that you give up on this path.  The only way to restore our democracy is to utterly annihilate the enemy, the party that has spent the last decade seeking to undermine and destroy it.

"We want to live in a land of sunshine and friendship with the other party but in the meantime we'll have fun destroying them and watching them suffer until they conform to our wishes"

Sure, sure  ... we all know which impulse will win out in the end if you are given the chance. 

[jamestroll]

I have broken nearly all my kitchen plates and glasses out of anger of her confirmation!!!!!!

[GoTfan]

To echo what the other posters have said:

The GOP is an utterly disgusting, completely amoral, anti-American organization that consistently torches traditional American democratic values in the name of short-term partisan gain, and this is their pinnacle.  Checks and balances are now out the window as the GOP has turned the Judicial Branch into an extension of the Legislative Branch, and fully intend to use it to maintain control of the Executive and Legislative branches long after voters have turned against the party.

Democrats are fully justified in packing the courts.  This is the bed the GOP has made by turning the Supreme Court from a non-partisan institution into an extension of the legislative branch that the party in power dominates by any means necessary.  That's the game the GOP wants to play, now they can suffer, and I hope they suffer terribly.  I hope the blue avatar hypocrites on this board cry for days when we bring back the Voting Rights Act that John Roberts repealed.

This is the environment the Republicans have created.  Naked partisanship, pure hatred, no-rules anti-democratic gamesmanship.  Democrats didn't want it to be this way.  Barack Obama had deep and naïve faith in high-minded ideals of bipartisanship, cooperation, and democratic norms; he was rewarded with six years of hyper-partisan brinksmanship and obstruction, capped off with the stonewalling of a Supreme Court nominee.  The Republican Party has made it clear that they want to go down that path.  No Republican has any right to complain when Democrats decide to take the same path.

And the thing is, we Democrats don't want to take this path.  We are still the party of Obama and Biden, and the vast majority of us want things to work.  We want our democracy to work.  We want to live in that country Obama dreamed about.  But the only way to get there is to defeat you so thoroughly that you give up on this path.  The only way to restore our democracy is to utterly annihilate the enemy, the party that has spent the last decade seeking to undermine and destroy it.

"We want to live in a land of sunshine and friendship with the other party but in the meantime we'll have fun destroying them and watching them suffer until they conform to our wishes"

Sure, sure  ... we all know which impulse will win out in the end if you are given the chance. 

You want us to unilaterally disarm when you're literally describing what the Autocratic-Republicans have been doing?

[GeneralMacArthur]

"We want to live in a land of sunshine and friendship with the other party but in the meantime we'll have fun destroying them and watching them suffer until they conform to our wishes"

Sure, sure  ... we all know which impulse will win out in the end if you are given the chance. 

You know, we tried, we really tried.  Rewind to 2008 and early 2009 and listen to what Obama was saying, look at the agenda he pushed, look at how he governed.  Or even better, go back to when Bill Clinton was president -- everyone on the left hates him now because of all the bipartisan compromises he made!

But that's over now.  We stretched out the hand, and you cut it off.  We've only got one hand left, and we're not gonna make the same mistake.  We're getting a gun in eight days, and we're going to use it to deleted, just remember that it's your own damn fault for turning this into a gunfight in the first place.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

To echo what the other posters have said:

The GOP is an utterly disgusting, completely amoral, anti-American organization that consistently torches traditional American democratic values in the name of short-term partisan gain, and this is their pinnacle.  Checks and balances are now out the window as the GOP has turned the Judicial Branch into an extension of the Legislative Branch, and fully intend to use it to maintain control of the Executive and Legislative branches long after voters have turned against the party.

Democrats are fully justified in packing the courts.  This is the bed the GOP has made by turning the Supreme Court from a non-partisan institution into an extension of the legislative branch that the party in power dominates by any means necessary.  That's the game the GOP wants to play, now they can suffer, and I hope they suffer terribly.  I hope the blue avatar hypocrites on this board cry for days when we bring back the Voting Rights Act that John Roberts repealed.

This is the environment the Republicans have created.  Naked partisanship, pure hatred, no-rules anti-democratic gamesmanship.  Democrats didn't want it to be this way.  Barack Obama had deep and naïve faith in high-minded ideals of bipartisanship, cooperation, and democratic norms; he was rewarded with six years of hyper-partisan brinksmanship and obstruction, capped off with the stonewalling of a Supreme Court nominee.  The Republican Party has made it clear that they want to go down that path.  No Republican has any right to complain when Democrats decide to take the same path.

And the thing is, we Democrats don't want to take this path.  We are still the party of Obama and Biden, and the vast majority of us want things to work.  We want our democracy to work.  We want to live in that country Obama dreamed about.  But the only way to get there is to defeat you so thoroughly that you give up on this path.  The only way to restore our democracy is to utterly annihilate the enemy, the party that has spent the last decade seeking to undermine and destroy it.

"We want to live in a land of sunshine and friendship with the other party but in the meantime we'll have fun destroying them and watching them suffer until they conform to our wishes"

Sure, sure  ... we all know which impulse will win out in the end if you are given the chance. 

You want us to unilaterally disarm when you're literally describing what the Autocratic-Republicans have been doing?

You misunderstand (as does anyone who tries to deal with Republicans as equals rather than enemies). Republicans believe in, as their cult-leader has said, "law and order"; they will only accept a world where they get to write the laws, and they get to give the orders. It's why their hypocrisy slides off them like stink off a skunk. They don't believe it is hypocrisy. They think they have some sort of divine right to rule, thanks to the color of their skin, the money in their pockets, or the people they know.  Republicans believe that rules and laws are for other people, to enable Republican supremacy. The offer no choices, only abuse. And they will not stop until they are forced to stop.

Projection is a prevalent Republican attribute in this day and age, and GoP upthread sums his party up perfectly:

"We want to live in a land of sunshine and friendship with the other party but in the meantime we'll have fun destroying them and watching them suffer until they conform to our wishes"

And he makes pretty clear the Republican rejection of the Golden Rule - how dare anyone even talk about treating them like they treat others. Modern Republicans are bad-faith participants in America, in representative government, the international order, or post-Westphalian Western civilization. They will continue in their attempts to destroy all of that until their ideology is once again destroyed.

[GoTfan]

"We want to live in a land of sunshine and friendship with the other party but in the meantime we'll have fun destroying them and watching them suffer until they conform to our wishes"

Sure, sure  ... we all know which impulse will win out in the end if you are given the chance. 

You know, we tried, we really tried.  Rewind to 2008 and early 2009 and listen to what Obama was saying, look at the agenda he pushed, look at how he governed.  Or even better, go back to when Bill Clinton was president -- everyone on the left hates him now because of all the bipartisan compromises he made!

But that's over now.  We stretched out the hand, and you cut it off.  We've only got one hand left, and we're not gonna make the same mistake.  We're getting a gun in eight days, and we're going to use it to    , just remember that it's your own damn fault for turning this into a gunfight in the first place.

"The Republicans entered this election under the rather childish delusion that they were going to suppress everyone else, and no one was going suppress them. With Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett and a half a hundred other people, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they will reap the whirlwind."

-GoTfan, 27/10/2020

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Days between nomination and confirmation
Kavanaugh: 89
Gorsuch: 66
Kagan: 87
Sotomayor: 66
Alito: 82
Roberts: 62
Breyer: 73
Ginsburg: 50
Thomas: 99
Barrett: 30

Courtesy of AAD.

[DrScholl]

How ironic would it be if Clarence Thomas ended up like Herman Cain from attending this event and Republicans ended up not having time to replace him? That would be theatrical. Not that I'm wishing for it to happen, just that it would be interesting. We know how the last even for Amy turned out.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

"We want to live in a land of sunshine and friendship with the other party but in the meantime we'll have fun destroying them and watching them suffer until they conform to our wishes"

Sure, sure  ... we all know which impulse will win out in the end if you are given the chance. 

You know, we tried, we really tried.  Rewind to 2008 and early 2009 and listen to what Obama was saying, look at the agenda he pushed, look at how he governed.  Or even better, go back to when Bill Clinton was president -- everyone on the left hates him now because of all the bipartisan compromises he made!

But that's over now.  We stretched out the hand, and you cut it off.  We've only got one hand left, and we're not gonna make the same mistake.  We're getting a gun in eight days, and we're going to use it to     , just remember that it's your own damn fault for turning this into a gunfight in the first place.

Raindrops  ☔︎  on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles  and warm woolen  mittens
DIE DIE RETHUGLICAN SCUMMMMMMM1!!!!!!!!!!☠☠☠☠☠
These are a few of my favorite things…

[Pericles]

How ironic would it be if Clarence Thomas ended up like Herman Cain from attending this event and Republicans ended up not having time to replace him? That would be theatrical. Not that I'm wishing for it to happen, just that it would be interesting. We know how the last even for Amy turned out.

I doubt the timeline is right for that scenario to work. They would probably be able to confirm a fourth Trump Supreme Court nominee in the lame-duck.