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« on: September 18, 2020, 06:21:25 PM »

Donald Trump:

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We must clear away the twisted web of lies in our schools and classrooms and teach our children the magnificent truth about our country. We want our sons and daughters to know that they are the citizens of the most exceptional nation in the history of the world.

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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2020, 06:29:03 PM »
« Edited: September 18, 2020, 06:34:43 PM by Virginia Yellow Dog »

I am not sure that China is the right model to follow...

China’s ‘purification’ of classrooms: A new law erases history, silences teachers and rewrites books

What is the point of waging a cold war against China if Trump and his enablers wants to create a regime almost as authoritarian as the one we are supposedly confronting?  
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2020, 07:21:15 PM »

It's darkly hilarious how a proposal to return to the model of American history taught a few decades ago gets treated as incoming fascism by the pants wetter brigade.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2020, 07:24:53 PM »

It's darkly hilarious how a proposal to return to the model of American history taught a few decades ago gets treated as incoming fascism by the pants wetter brigade.

Is it, knowing the record of this administration so far? 
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2020, 07:25:34 PM »

As if teaching the 1619 project isnt propaganda either
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2020, 07:26:04 PM »

It's darkly hilarious how a proposal to return to the model of American history taught a few decades ago gets treated as incoming fascism by the pants wetter brigade.

Is it, knowing the record of this administration so far? 

Trump's administration has had flaws to be sure, but they're much more incompetence than authoritarianism.
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2020, 07:26:49 PM »

So, a euphemistic revisionism of American history that conveniently leaves out all the dark chapters and portrays the entire country as a sugar bowl whose hagiographies must never be challenged or questioned? No thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2020, 07:29:14 PM »

It's darkly hilarious how a proposal to return to the model of American history taught a few decades ago gets treated as incoming fascism by the pants wetter brigade.

Is it, knowing the record of this administration so far? 

Trump's administration has had flaws to be sure, but they're much more incompetence than authoritarianism.

You're right -a more competent version would have delivered the goods by now.  It doesn't make their aspirations for an American version of an authoritarian state any less alarming. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2020, 08:45:29 PM »

I think you tell the facts. I don’t support hiding anything and acknowledging the dark parts of our past is important. I do object to the idea that slavery or racism is the only narrative that matters in american history, which is completely absurd. I also think it’s good to raise kids to love their country, in a healthy, open to improvement kind of way.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2020, 08:46:16 PM »

All I want for my son is for him to learn the unbiased facts of our past and fair explanations of the motivations of all actors.

Which is hard because every teacher has his biases and because history is written by the winner.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2020, 08:47:47 PM »

If it was patriotism to their motherland Russia, sure.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2020, 08:54:47 PM »

If the nationalist revolution is to succeed, the youth of America must learn Donald Trump Thought and Juche with American Characteristics.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2020, 08:55:32 PM »

Definitely not in Trump's way.
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2020, 09:05:58 PM »

It's darkly hilarious how a proposal to return to the model of American history taught a few decades ago gets treated as incoming fascism by the pants wetter brigade.

Is it, knowing the record of this administration so far? 

Trump's administration has had flaws to be sure, but they're much more incompetence than authoritarianism.

You're right -a more competent version would have delivered the goods by now.  It doesn't make their aspirations for an American version of an authoritarian state any less alarming. 

The incipient doom of American schools comes from not teaching NHJ's ravings.
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2020, 09:11:42 PM »

Of course not, but to be fair to Trump, I wouldn't want them to get taught the 1619 Project either. One of the central claims with that--that the American Revolution was undertaken for the express purpose of preserving slavery--is flatly anachronistic, revisionist balderdash that even skimming the Wikipedia article on the history of the abolitionist movement easily refutes. It's abominable that Trump's gauntlet-throwing has placed the American left in the position of defending this racialist nonsense by creating the impression that cultish jingoism is the only alternative.
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2020, 09:20:58 PM »

It looks like Republicans were for local control of education before they were against it.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2020, 09:49:47 PM »

American exceptionalism is not patriotism. It's blatant brainwash.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2020, 10:33:09 PM »

Macron said it best. Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism.
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2020, 11:52:17 PM »

What exactly does this mean? Going back to those crazy textbooks that romanticized slavery and portrayed slaves as being happy and loving their masters? If so that's not patriotism, but alternative history.
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2020, 11:55:12 PM »

Sounds like brainwashing
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2020, 04:46:15 PM »

Macron said it best. Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism.
Nonsense. To be a true patriot is to love one's nation. They are inseparable.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2020, 05:11:39 PM »

To some extent. I think it's important to show America's many flaws, but also detail our triumphs, the better angels of our nature, and the struggle this country's been in since the very start to live up to its lofty ideals of freedom and equality. By all means point out how far off the mark we've been, but also how far we've come on so many fronts,and why those original ideals were so important to begin with.
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2020, 05:21:24 PM »

Of course not. Propaganda efforts should be fought at every turn. Blind loyalty to your country is dumb to begin with but made worse when advocated for by an individual as shallow and self interested as Trump.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2020, 06:30:55 PM »

I am not sure that China is the right model to follow...

China’s ‘purification’ of classrooms: A new law erases history, silences teachers and rewrites books

What is the point of waging a cold war against China if Trump and his enablers wants to create a regime almost as authoritarian as the one we are supposedly confronting?  

Exactly
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2020, 09:43:56 PM »

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