Princeton admits its racism, so DoE opens an investigation

[GP270watch]

Black students face lower admissions standards than students of other races due to affirmative action. That is what affirmative action is. Idk what you’re rambling about with ‘feeder schools’ but it’s preposterous to claim that it isn’t true that black students face lower admissions standards than all other students do because literally all the evidence points to the contrary.

   He said the performance was much worse, I pointed out that the dropout rate statistically is more correlated with poverty regardless of race. I showed real stats showing the difference was not that large considering the significant obstacles and actually improving since elite colleges made a commitment to meet the financial needs of disadvantaged students.

 Your second point regarding elite colleges is increasingly nonsense, since the black students are coming from the same prep schools as many of the white students. So how could their academic performance/preparation be worse?

 What’s more, the Ivies and other elite colleges disproportionately tap an even narrower niche for the black students it admits: elite private day and boarding schools like Phillips Exeter, Harvard Westlake, and Trinity. These students often come from poor or blue-collar communities and attend private school on scholarship. Great programs like Prep for Prep in New York City identify talented students of color early and prepare them to excel at private schools that were among the original bastions of white privilege.

 The idea that black students admitted to Ivy League can't "hack it" and therefore they claim racism as an excuse is a ridiculous claim to make without evidence, so where is the evidence?

They have SAT averages 200+ points below white students and drop out at more than twice the rate of white students.
As someone who went to a prep school, I can assure you that prep school admissions are not race-blind either. The testing gap begins very young and academically selective institutions that wish to keep a racially representative student body inevitably make use of different standards.

lol SAT.

 The SAT as proven by the college cheating scandal is manipulated and cheated by parents with means.

Do you think every white kid is cheating on the SAT or is this going to be a series of bad faith dunks?

 Outright cheating is the worst abuse but the test present other problems. The roots of almost all intelligence testing is founded in people who were huge blatant racists. They created a system in search of a result. Just do research into this:

Carl Brigham, remembered as an “ardent eugenicist and unabashed racist and anti-Semite”, created the SATs in 1920s, using his base testing from an army intelligence test. Additionally, Brigham wrote a piece titled “A Study of American Intelligence”, where he laid out his beliefs of three dominate white races (Mediterranean, Nordic, and Alpine), with Nordic being the “top” race. Brigham argued that we needed his standardized testing in order to increase the intelligence of the American race, due to the “racial mixture” of the country. In layman’s terms, he created a test for higher education institutions to use that would effectively push out, in Brigham’s mind, substandard individuals (e.g. Hispanics, African Americans, Jewish Americans), and allow for greater percentages of white races to succeed.

And yet somehow Jews have managed to outperform gentiles on every test of general cognitive ability for the past century. Surely, this is just pro-Jewish bias, right?

 Do your research into what people believed about Jewish intelligence and Asian intelligence. Black people face the worst racism in America, you want to improve the outcome for black students, deal with that first.

 To argue anything else is to subscribe to Charles Murray modern day eugenics nonsense, that history has time and time again proven as nonsense.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Black students face lower admissions standards than students of other races due to affirmative action. That is what affirmative action is. Idk what you’re rambling about with ‘feeder schools’ but it’s preposterous to claim that it isn’t true that black students face lower admissions standards than all other students do because literally all the evidence points to the contrary.

   He said the performance was much worse, I pointed out that the dropout rate statistically is more correlated with poverty regardless of race. I showed real stats showing the difference was not that large considering the significant obstacles and actually improving since elite colleges made a commitment to meet the financial needs of disadvantaged students.

 Your second point regarding elite colleges is increasingly nonsense, since the black students are coming from the same prep schools as many of the white students. So how could their academic performance/preparation be worse?

 What’s more, the Ivies and other elite colleges disproportionately tap an even narrower niche for the black students it admits: elite private day and boarding schools like Phillips Exeter, Harvard Westlake, and Trinity. These students often come from poor or blue-collar communities and attend private school on scholarship. Great programs like Prep for Prep in New York City identify talented students of color early and prepare them to excel at private schools that were among the original bastions of white privilege.

 The idea that black students admitted to Ivy League can't "hack it" and therefore they claim racism as an excuse is a ridiculous claim to make without evidence, so where is the evidence?

They have SAT averages 200+ points below white students and drop out at more than twice the rate of white students.
As someone who went to a prep school, I can assure you that prep school admissions are not race-blind either. The testing gap begins very young and academically selective institutions that wish to keep a racially representative student body inevitably make use of different standards.

lol SAT.

 The SAT as proven by the college cheating scandal is manipulated and cheated by parents with means.

Do you think every white kid is cheating on the SAT or is this going to be a series of bad faith dunks?

 Outright cheating is the worst abuse but the test present other problems. The roots of almost all intelligence testing is founded in people who were huge blatant racists. They created a system in search of a result. Just do research into this:

Carl Brigham, remembered as an “ardent eugenicist and unabashed racist and anti-Semite”, created the SATs in 1920s, using his base testing from an army intelligence test. Additionally, Brigham wrote a piece titled “A Study of American Intelligence”, where he laid out his beliefs of three dominate white races (Mediterranean, Nordic, and Alpine), with Nordic being the “top” race. Brigham argued that we needed his standardized testing in order to increase the intelligence of the American race, due to the “racial mixture” of the country. In layman’s terms, he created a test for higher education institutions to use that would effectively push out, in Brigham’s mind, substandard individuals (e.g. Hispanics, African Americans, Jewish Americans), and allow for greater percentages of white races to succeed.

And yet somehow Jews have managed to outperform gentiles on every test of general cognitive ability for the past century. Surely, this is just pro-Jewish bias, right?

 Do your research into what people believed about Jewish intelligence and Asian intelligence. Black people face the worst racism in America, you want to improve the outcome for black students, deal with that first.

 To argue anything else is to subscribe to Charles Murray modern day eugenics nonsense, that history has time and time again proven as nonsense.

Do you have an empirical disagreement with what I said or do you just want to do bad faith dunks?

[GP270watch]

 You mentioned the SAT. I explained the problems with the SAT down to it's very origin, so what is it you take issue with exactly?

 

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

You mentioned the SAT. I explained the problems with the SAT down to it's very origin, so what is it you take issue with exactly?

 

You said that the guy who created the SAT didn't like black people and that is the cause of black underperformance. I pointed out that his anti-semitism has not caused Jews to underperform on the SAT, so that explanation seems clearly wrong.

[GP270watch]

You mentioned the SAT. I explained the problems with the SAT down to it's very origin, so what is it you take issue with exactly?

 

You said that the guy who created the SAT didn't like black people and that is the cause of black underperformance. I pointed out that his anti-semitism has not caused Jews to underperform on the SAT, so that explanation seems clearly wrong.

 I did not say that exactly. I said and have said from the very beginning that systematic racism is the biggest factor toward black students achievement gap and that manifests itself in many ways including poverty. I can't really understand whether you agree with this or disagree, you seem to want to have it both ways.

 

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

You mentioned the SAT. I explained the problems with the SAT down to it's very origin, so what is it you take issue with exactly?

 

You said that the guy who created the SAT didn't like black people and that is the cause of black underperformance. I pointed out that his anti-semitism has not caused Jews to underperform on the SAT, so that explanation seems clearly wrong.

 I did not say that exactly. I said and have said from the very beginning that systematic racism is the biggest factor toward black students achievement gap and that manifests itself in many ways including poverty. I can't really understand whether you agree with this or disagree, you seem to want to have it both ways.

 

It's true that disproportionate poverty is part of why black students underperform, yeah. Unfortunately, the slate is not wiped clean at 18. When Princeton admits black students with 1250 SATs, they're going to do worse, and when they pretend they're applying the same standard to everyone, people naturally assume the disparate outcome is because of racism.

[Kingpoleon]

One of the most ridiculous pieties of the current American center-left is the absurd belief that elite universities are somehow progressive or leveling institutions.

It all has its roots in the liberal, paternalistic racism of affirmative action - the racist idea that black people, being naturally poorer performers than whites, should not be taught to perform better, but to be judged on a more generous basis because of the color of their skin.

[GP270watch]

One of the most ridiculous pieties of the current American center-left is the absurd belief that elite universities are somehow progressive or leveling institutions.

It all has its roots in the liberal, paternalistic racism of affirmative action - the racist idea that black people, being naturally poorer performers than whites, should not be taught to perform better, but to be judged on a more generous basis because of the color of their skin.

 Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?

 For almost the entirety of their history elite universities have been a part of the system that upholds insanely racist treatment against blacks and concentrates power in the hands of a few elite. Their attempts to do something about that terrible past is not only fair, it's not even close to enough for the historical damage they've done.

 I just don't understand the sentiments in this thread.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

One of the most ridiculous pieties of the current American center-left is the absurd belief that elite universities are somehow progressive or leveling institutions.

It all has its roots in the liberal, paternalistic racism of affirmative action - the racist idea that black people, being naturally poorer performers than whites, should not be taught to perform better, but to be judged on a more generous basis because of the color of their skin.

 Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?

 For almost the entirety of their history elite universities have been a part of the system that upholds insanely racist treatment against blacks and concentrates power in the hands of a few elite. Their attempts to do something about that terrible past is not only fair, it's not even close to enough for the historical damage they've done.

 I just don't understand the sentiments in this thread.

Their attempts to racially discriminate harm black and white students. Admissions should be clear and based on academics alone, without considering race or legacy status.

[GP270watch]

One of the most ridiculous pieties of the current American center-left is the absurd belief that elite universities are somehow progressive or leveling institutions.

It all has its roots in the liberal, paternalistic racism of affirmative action - the racist idea that black people, being naturally poorer performers than whites, should not be taught to perform better, but to be judged on a more generous basis because of the color of their skin.

 Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?

 For almost the entirety of their history elite universities have been a part of the system that upholds insanely racist treatment against blacks and concentrates power in the hands of a few elite. Their attempts to do something about that terrible past is not only fair, it's not even close to enough for the historical damage they've done.

 I just don't understand the sentiments in this thread.

Their attempts to racially discriminate harm black and white students. Admissions should be clear and based on academics alone, without considering race or legacy status.

Puh-lease. Love seeing all those threads and lawsuits on here discussing legacy students(right they don't exist). Also studies show black enrollment at Ivy League schools isn't harmful, you guys are continuously making things up in this thread or passing opinion as fact.

 Legacy at elite colleges is also a much higher percentage of the student body then so called affirmative action. Legacy is usually 15-30% of a freshman class. Harvard's 2019 class was more than 1/3 legacy. Legacy students are 5 times more likely to get into Ivy League schools too.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

One of the most ridiculous pieties of the current American center-left is the absurd belief that elite universities are somehow progressive or leveling institutions.

It all has its roots in the liberal, paternalistic racism of affirmative action - the racist idea that black people, being naturally poorer performers than whites, should not be taught to perform better, but to be judged on a more generous basis because of the color of their skin.

 Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?

 For almost the entirety of their history elite universities have been a part of the system that upholds insanely racist treatment against blacks and concentrates power in the hands of a few elite. Their attempts to do something about that terrible past is not only fair, it's not even close to enough for the historical damage they've done.

 I just don't understand the sentiments in this thread.

Their attempts to racially discriminate harm black and white students. Admissions should be clear and based on academics alone, without considering race or legacy status.

Puh-lease. Love seeing all those threads and lawsuits on here discussing legacy students(right they don't exist). Also studies show black enrollment at Ivy League schools isn't harmful, you guys are continuously making things up in this thread or passing opinion as fact.

 Legacy at elite colleges is also a much higher percentage of the student body then so called affirmative action. Legacy is usually 15-30% of a freshman class. Harvard's 2019 class was more than 1/3 legacy. Legacy students are 5 times more likely to get into Ivy League schools too.

http://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/EspenshadeChungWalling-SSQ-2004_Admission-preferences-at-elite-universities.pdf
The black advantage at Princeton is 230 points. The legacy advantage is 160 points, at one or two institutions. Legacy students are overrepresented in part because of preferences but also because many students want to attend the same university as their parents, and many traits admissions officers select on are strongly heritable.