Protests in Lancaster after man shot while running with a knife towards officer

[lfromnj]

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/pennsylvania/protests-follow-deadly-police-involved-shooting-in-lancaster/article_a3a0f542-f66e-11ea-9e25-f75301bd38dc.html


https://www.wgal.com/article/lancaster-police-body-cam-video-shooting-man-armed-with-knife-ricardo-munoz/34009627

Fortunately we got body-cam video, seems pretty clear cut.

Body cams help everyone(besides the bad guy)

[dead0man]

the protest afterword was 90% peaceful

[President Johnson]

Well, that the officer fired a shot in self-defense seems appropriate in this kind of situation. My question would be why the shot was deadly? In most European countries, it's common standard cops target legs to prevent such an attack.

[Trump Is A Maoist]

Well, that the officer fired a shot in self-defense seems appropriate in this kind of situation. My question would be why the shot was deadly? In most European countries, it's common standard cops target legs to prevent such an attack.

I was attacked pretty hard on here for suggesting this a few months ago. Apparently in North America, we totally reject that strategy and use "shoot to kill".

[Orwell]

Well, that the officer fired a shot in self-defense seems appropriate in this kind of situation. My question would be why the shot was deadly? In most European countries, it's common standard cops target legs to prevent such an attack.

I was attacked pretty hard on here for suggesting this a few months ago. Apparently in North America, we totally reject that strategy and use "shoot to kill".

Well, in The Filipino-American war American officers carried a .38 caliber pistol as Filipino natives charged them they fired and shot the Filipino tribesman, but many of the officers were wounded or killed by the spears carried by the natives this led to the adoption of the .45 caliber pistol for the stopping power. This is purely anecdotal of course and I don't know the veracity of the claims that this is true, but it does correlate to modern problems a shot to the leg for one is not going to stop someone, and it is also much harder to hit someone in the leg then the chest.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

Well, that the officer fired a shot in self-defense seems appropriate in this kind of situation. My question would be why the shot was deadly? In most European countries, it's common standard cops target legs to prevent such an attack.

Despite all of our 'gun culture' American police are not well trained enough to reliably hit anything but  center of mass. (They're often trained to empty their clip into an attacker. It's a good day when they don't just spray lead and hope they don't hit bystanders.) Police, like most American gun owners, are terrible at understanding how to responsibly use the deadly weapons they possess.  


Editing to add: as I say almost every time something like this comes up, self-defense with a pistol is hard.  The vast majority of Americans just don't grasp that. Hardly anyone really trains for it. They prefer to believe in the fictional universe they see on television or read about in magazines that are disguised firearms advertising to the real one they inhabit.

[7,052,770]

Well, that the officer fired a shot in self-defense seems appropriate in this kind of situation. My question would be why the shot was deadly? In most European countries, it's common standard cops target legs to prevent such an attack.

Biden suggested a policy of aiming for the leg a few months ago, but Republicans and Berniecrats mocked him for it.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Well, that the officer fired a shot in self-defense seems appropriate in this kind of situation. My question would be why the shot was deadly? In most European countries, it's common standard cops target legs to prevent such an attack.

Biden suggested a policy of aiming for the leg a few months ago, but Republicans and Berniecrats mocked him for it.

Why did Berniecrats mock him for it?

[lfromnj]

https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/8-people-4-from-outside-lancaster-county-arrested-after-monday-morning-protests-in-lancaster-city/article_9af58784-f6ad-11ea-870a-4358342867aa.html

https://twitter.com/lancstandsup/status/1305699407254425600

Obviously the tweet is lying about what she was arrested for, but 1 million in bail if it is true is insane. The 8th amendment clearly forbids that. If she is such a threat to continue doing that then just don't let her out.

[7,052,770]

Well, that the officer fired a shot in self-defense seems appropriate in this kind of situation. My question would be why the shot was deadly? In most European countries, it's common standard cops target legs to prevent such an attack.

Biden suggested a policy of aiming for the leg a few months ago, but Republicans and Berniecrats mocked him for it.

Why did Berniecrats mock him for it?

Because they [the ones mocking Biden at least] believe #ACAB literally and should never shoot anyone.

[Donald Trump’s Toupée]

the protest afterword was 90% peaceful

Yeah, and Islamic faith is mostly peaceful - about 99% peaceful. But look how problematic that 1% has been.

I’ll go with the number you took from your ass and presume that 10% were violent riots. That’s quite bad, and nothing to celebrate.

[หมูเด้ง]

the protest afterword was 90% peaceful

Yeah, and Islamic faith is mostly peaceful - about 99% peaceful. But look how problematic that 1% has been.

I’ll go with the number you took from your ass and presume that 10% were violent riots. That’s quite bad, and nothing to celebrate.

It was sarcasm.

[lfromnj]

Can anyone imagine the sh*tshow rn if there wasn't a bodycam? There was already misinformation going around and it would be impossible to correct without a bodycam.

[หมูเด้ง]

Can anyone imagine the sh*tshow rn if there wasn't a bodycam? There was already misinformation going around and it would be impossible to correct without a bodycam.

I'm totally on board with this.

[lfromnj]

https://www.wgal.com/article/judges-reduce-bail-for-nine-people-arrested-after-riot-following-fatal-police-shooting-in-lancaster/34056851

Ok the bail has been reduced to ranging from 25k to 100k. Probably doable with a bondsman and some fundraising. I think 5k to 25k would be a better range after reading what happened.

[Is it the end, my friend? Satan's coming 'round the bend]

This was incredibly tragic and hurtful for folks out here, and I'm going to keep my thoughts (largely) non-partisan.

I don't believe in reducing incidents like this to just "justified" or "unjustified" but I think it is important to note that a lot of the anger began when there were rumors that the person who was shot was a 14 year old with autism. Just because that turned out to be false does not mean the anger was suddenly invalid. I think people are tired of seeing people die at the hands of police. Yes, I watched the bodycam footage and felt differently afterwards than I did before the shooting, but I also recognized that the man shot had a history of extreme mental illness and it made me wonder why he hadn't been receiving the care he needed before it escalated to this point.

As dead0man pointed out earlier, the protests were largely peaceful. I watched livestreams until about 11 pm the night of the shooting and everything was tense, but stayed within bounds. Many folks were worried about the fact that there was a police sniper on the roof of the LCPD building and the cops were dressed in riot gear at the same time people had started to gather at the building.

The entire incident should've been prevented years ago. My heart aches for Lancaster. Seeing right wing chuds painting this as "ANTIFA STORMING AMISH COUNTRY, NO ONE IS SAFE" made me extremely upset. Lancaster City is closer culturally to Philadelphia than it is to, say, Southern or Northern Lancaster County.

I think everyone really jumped the gun on this one but I do not fault members of the community who saw someone killed by a cop, left uncovered on a sidewalk for several hours before being covered up and taken away, and then tried to hold their police responsible only to be met with tear gas and rubber bullets. And to be arrested and have bail set at a million dollars? What would've happened if the Lt. Governor and Governor hadn't stepped in to call out that BS? It's all extremely tragic.

Anyways, much love to the folks in here who seem to be arguing in good faith.

[lfromnj]

Do you really think protesting over a dude's death who chased a cop with a knife is the best way to bring people to your cause?

Also deadoman was making a sarcastic comment about the 93% peaceful protests when some of them were still violent.

[Santander]

Well, that the officer fired a shot in self-defense seems appropriate in this kind of situation. My question would be why the shot was deadly? In most European countries, it's common standard cops target legs to prevent such an attack.

I was attacked pretty hard on here for suggesting this a few months ago. Apparently in North America, we totally reject that strategy and use "shoot to kill".

Absolutely not. Police shoot to neutralize, not to kill. Legs are a much more difficult and unreliable target to hit than the torso. Deadly force means using force that could be deadly, not an intention to kill.