S.20.3-19: Chamber Sacrosanctity Resolution (Passed)

[diptheriadan]

A RESOLUTION
condemning President Pericles

Whereas, the autonomy of the Chamber of Delegates from outside intervention is sacrosanct;

Whereas, President Pericles has obviously and verifiably targeted a member of this Chamber;

Be it resolved, that the Chamber of Delegates:

1. Officially condemns President Pericles for his actions

Sponsor: diptheriadan

Minimum 48 hours to debate

[diptheriadan]

The purpose of this resolution is twofold:

1) It condemns Pericles for being... unkind, we shall say for the sake of formality, to our Speaker, tmthforu94.

2) It establishes precedent for rules of conduct for how Delegates are to be treated and how Delegates treat each other, so as to not interfere with their work. In this case, the concern is mainly to due with intimidation.

Note: This does not in and of itself establishes those rules in specific and written form, though if such a thing is desired I would be more than willing to do this, it merely acknowledges that there are proper and improper ways to interact with those in power as to make them accountable only to their constituents.

[diptheriadan]

Proposing an amendment

A RESOLUTION
condemning President Pericles and Attorney General fhtagn

Whereas, the autonomy of the Chamber of Delegates from outside intervention is sacrosanct;

Whereas, President Pericles has obviously and verifiably targeted a member of this Chamber both Pericles and fhtagn have abused members of this Chamber unnecessarily and on false grounds;

Be it resolved, that the Chamber of Delegates:

1. Officially condemns President Pericles for his actions

2. Officially condemns fhtagn for her actions

24 hours for objections.

This amendment was recommended by DTC, and, as it keeps with the goal of and reasoning behind this resolution, I agree with him.

[diptheriadan]

I will respond to you however I see fit, especially when you are proving my statement is correct.

But hey, I can go with racism and misogyny from Labor officeholders too if you'd like.

It was actually this that I had in mind when I backed the idea.

As I said before, one of the purposes of this resolution was to establish that there are proper and improper ways to interact with a legislator-- the defining feature of improper actions being those that are or can be construed as intimidating or coercive. This, I believe, fits that standard to a T, as it is literally a threat that does not pertain, in any way, to the discussion at hand or what DTC said in the thread.

EDIT: As for the reason why DTC himself didn't propse it, it was a simply mix-up. I thought he was going to, he thought I was going to, given the fact that it was late and the bill hadn't had significant discussion, I decided to pull the trigger and do it instead of waiting for him.

[diptheriadan]

Opening a vote on the amendment, please vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN

A RESOLUTION
condemning President Pericles and Attorney General fhtagn

Whereas, the autonomy of the Chamber of Delegates from outside intervention is sacrosanct;

Whereas, President Pericles has obviously and verifiably targeted a member of this Chamber both Pericles and fhtagn have abused members of this Chamber unnecessarily and on false grounds;

Be it resolved, that the Chamber of Delegates:

1. Officially condemns President Pericles for his actions

2. Officially condemns fhtagn for her actions

EDIT: Vote halted for now. I believe I misread the rules regarding amendments. My apologies. ~18 Hours remaining for objections.

[diptheriadan]

Upon further review, I no longer believe that fhtagn's comments fit my criteria for inclusion in this resolution. While her comments were unkind, they pale in comparison to Pericles's. I believed that then and I believe that now. My reasons for including her was because of the 2nd reason I laid out:

2) It establishes precedent for rules of conduct for how Delegates are to be treated and how Delegates treat each other, so as to not interfere with their work. In this case, the concern is mainly to due with intimidation.

Note: This does not in and of itself establishes those rules in specific and written form, though if such a thing is desired I would be more than willing to do this, it merely acknowledges that there are proper and improper ways to interact with those in power as to make them accountable only to their constituents.

While her comments were coercive in tone, the goal was plainly stated in those comments. It wasn't to force DTC to vote a certain way or to offer an amendment or anything that would make him feel especially accountable to her and not the electorate as a whole. It was to speak more freely to him. It's for this reason why I plan to vote NAY on the amendment here shortly when I call the vote and I encourage my fellow delegates to do so as well.

By grouping fhtagn's comments in with Pericles's, it at once bluntens the severity of Pericles's comments as well as exaggerating fhagn's far beyond what they actually were. They were mean, no doubt about it, but to condemn her for them would open up a whole can of worms that might very well result in condemnations being handed out to anyone saying anything every remotely intimidating or mean; a voter vowing to vote against anyone who votes for some bill, as an example, or a delegate stating that an amendment passing would result in them voting against an otherwise good bill. The only way for the idea I stated above (in my...submission statement, I guess you could call it) would be for it to be specific and precise, and her inclusion doesn't fit that, and it's my fault entirely for not thinking the matter over entirely. As well, I think I owe fhtagn and tmth an apology, doing what I did was wrong, but moreover stupid and foolhardy. 

[diptheriadan]

Opening a vote on the amendment, please vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN

A RESOLUTION
condemning President Pericles and Attorney General fhtagn

Whereas, the autonomy of the Chamber of Delegates from outside intervention is sacrosanct;

Whereas, President Pericles has obviously and verifiably targeted a member of this Chamber both Pericles and fhtagn have abused members of this Chamber unnecessarily and on false grounds;

Be it resolved, that the Chamber of Delegates:

1. Officially condemns President Pericles for his actions

2. Officially condemns fhtagn for her actions

EDIT: Vote halted for now. I believe I misread the rules regarding amendments. My apologies. ~18 Hours remaining for objections.

Seeing as the 24 hours have elapsed, I am resuming the vote.

[diptheriadan]

NAY

[diptheriadan]

The amendment has enough votes to fail, Delegates have 24 hours to change their votes.

[diptheriadan]

With 4 NAYs and 2 ABSTAINS, the amendment fails.

[diptheriadan]

I'm not sure this is much more to discuss with this, so I motion for a vote.

Motion has been recognized, 24 hours for objections.

[diptheriadan]

A final vote has started, please vote AYE, NAY or ABSTAIN.

[diptheriadan]

Aye

[diptheriadan]

Sorry for not getting to this earlier, i've been under the weather for the past few days.

Anyway, this bill has enough votes to pass, delegate have 24 hours to change their votes.

[diptheriadan]

With 5 AYEs and 1 Abstain, this passes.