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Samof94
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« on: September 12, 2020, 06:36:45 AM »

What happens if Trump actually runs in 2012 on the issue of Birtherism? Obviously, 2012 isn’t 2016 of course.
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2020, 03:46:55 PM »

The time really wouldn't have been right for Trump in 2012. Anger at immigration hadn't boiled over, ISIS wasn't on anybody's radar, & the general feeling was that things weren't good but they weren't getting worse. That had changed for many of the people who mattered (& propelled Trump to victory) in 2016. Had he ran on the same populist platform, he would've lost the general by a significant margin.

And the birtherism thing was also something that most people, regardless of their views, thought was ridiculous & wouldn't get behind. Birtherism had a peak, in mid-2009, as the Tea Party rallies got a bit out of hand, but afterwards, it was widely discredited & even the most populist voices on the right (like Limbaugh & Hannity) were calling it out as dumb.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2020, 06:56:06 PM »

Obama had appeal to non-evangelical, non-Southern downscale whites. Hillary didn't.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 03:02:27 AM »

Romney probably overtakes Trump to win the Republican nomination, anyways.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2020, 09:36:15 PM »

Obama runs over him.  Trump energized the Crazy Right but without the utter hatred of Hillary and against a candidate with charisma he is buried.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 07:12:55 AM »

Trump is defeated by Romney in the primaries. Romney almost certainly loses against Obama. Trump tries again in 2016 but isn't "fresh" anymore - he's not an exciting outsider taking the political world by storm, he's a politician trying his luck again. This makes it harder for him to win.
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