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Alben Barkley
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« on: September 09, 2020, 06:45:41 PM »

Here we have a couple of two-term presidents from the 90s and 2000s who used to be the faces of their parties and were very popular with them, but in recent years their status in their parties has gone down as the parties have drifted farther from the center. Plus, personal scandals/perceived policy failures have tarnished the reputation of each.

Let's say the 22nd amendment was abolished and that this year somehow both got their parties' nomination again. How? Who cares, doesn't matter. Maybe Trump and Biden both got COVID and the parties threw them on the ticket. Whatever.

Who wins? Who are the VP candidates? Discuss with maps.

And let's just say that there are no damning allegations against Bill related to Jeffrey Epstein or anything like that. But talking about how his image has changed in the Democratic Party post-MeToo is relevant. Same with how W's perception has changed in the GOP which is now more populist and pretty far removed from his brand of neoconservatism; hell, Trump ran against his record.
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2020, 06:54:23 PM »

Given George W. Bush has never sexually assaulted anyone and Bill Clinton has, pretty much every female politician not named Hillary Clinton endorses him.



George W. Bush/Jeb Bush 53% 343 EV
Bill Clinton/Hillary Clinton 45% 195 EV
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2020, 06:58:09 PM »
« Edited: September 09, 2020, 07:04:20 PM by Alben Barkley »

Given George W. Bush has never sexually assaulted anyone and Bill Clinton has, pretty much every female politician not named Hillary Clinton endorses him.



George W. Bush/Jeb Bush 53% 343 EV
Bill Clinton/Hillary Clinton 45% 195 EV

LOL no. Kirsten Gillibrand is probably the only prominent female Democrat who doesn't endorse Bill, and even she doesn't endorse Bush. Maybe the Squad doesn't either, but still they don't endorse Bush. I could see a third party gaining traction regardless.

Also there is no evidence Bill has sexually assaulted anyone, but that's a whole other can of worms. And one could just as easily say he didn't sanction torture or kill hundreds of thousands based on lies while W did, and that's definitely true.

Bill would never make Hillary his VP either; this isn't House of Cards. W wouldn't choose Jeb! either.

That all said, it definitely could be true that Bill's reputation in this day and age hurts him enough with female voters to lose. And shameless Republicans would be suddenly pretending to care about infidelity and to take sexual misconduct allegations seriously again.

I think by the way that if this was like 2012 instead, it would be a Clinton landslide. He was still super popular until the triple whammy of Hillary losing, Dems moving left, and MeToo. While W was still very unpopular until recently, now that people have apparently forgotten all the terrible things about him and/or just think he looks good next to Trump. But I don't think Republicans would be excited about him anymore.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2020, 07:10:55 PM »
« Edited: September 09, 2020, 07:20:36 PM by darklordoftech »



Former President Bill Clinton/Former Vice President Al Gore: 423
Former President George W. Bush/Former Vice President Dick Cheney: 115

Clinton wins Obama’s 2008 map plus every state that can possibly be won by a Democrat. At the end of the day, Clinton = peace and prosperity and Bush = two wars and a recession.
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2020, 01:52:38 AM »

Clinton would win, I think, and probably pretty easily. The only reason Bush is no longer collectively remembered (by every non-Republican, that is) as the worst president in a century is because of the embarrassing failure that is Donald Trump.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2020, 09:25:53 PM »



Former President Bill Clinton/Former Vice President Al Gore: 423
Former President George W. Bush/Former Vice President Dick Cheney: 115

Clinton wins Obama’s 2008 map plus every state that can possibly be won by a Democrat. At the end of the day, Clinton = peace and prosperity and Bush = two wars and a recession.


If he’s winning IN, I think he’s definitely winning MO (better state for him naturally and votes about the same as IN) if not AR.
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