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« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2020, 11:01:59 AM »

Probably every movie ever made has had, by these metrics, a diverse production staff. I mean Christ, Hollywood was probably one of the few places gays, bisexuals and lesbians could exist without torment relatively out of the closet (not officially, but still) even back in the 1920s. Even Gone With the Wind - the strongest character who isn't either utterly selfish, or painfully and sadly deluded, is a Black Woman. Is she a "Mammy stereotype", yes, but she's also literally the strongest and most sensible character in the entire film.

Never watched it but am well aware of the book, but wasn't Rhett supposed to be the "straight not delusional man" in the story?
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« Reply #101 on: September 17, 2020, 11:20:04 AM »

Basically this will force Oscar contenders to fulfill the following 2/4 following criteria:

1) Onscreen Representation, Themes and Narratives
2) Creative Leadership and Project Team
3) Industry Access and Opportunities
4) Audience Development

So a film like "The Artist" or "La Bella e Vita" will never win again? (I know La Bella e Vita depicts Jews but that's not diverse to some people.) This effectively rules out foreign films from European homogeneous countries from ever winning.

For the umpteenth time, the criteria for diversity include women, LGBT+, and people with disabilities, all of whom are found in Europe, plus every film will have an American distribution and marketing partner which can be diverse.

That said, if a film like “Life is Beautiful” never wins again I would consider that a victory for humanity. (I’m Jewish but found it revolting)
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« Reply #102 on: September 17, 2020, 12:00:05 PM »

Basically this will force Oscar contenders to fulfill the following 2/4 following criteria:

1) Onscreen Representation, Themes and Narratives
2) Creative Leadership and Project Team
3) Industry Access and Opportunities
4) Audience Development

So a film like "The Artist" or "La Bella e Vita" will never win again? (I know La Bella e Vita depicts Jews but that's not diverse to some people.) This effectively rules out foreign films from European homogeneous countries from ever winning.

The Artist would be fine! Seriously, read the rules. They’re linked in the original post.
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« Reply #103 on: September 17, 2020, 12:05:16 PM »

Basically this will force Oscar contenders to fulfill the following 2/4 following criteria:

1) Onscreen Representation, Themes and Narratives
2) Creative Leadership and Project Team
3) Industry Access and Opportunities
4) Audience Development

So a film like "The Artist" or "La Bella e Vita" will never win again? (I know La Bella e Vita depicts Jews but that's not diverse to some people.) This effectively rules out foreign films from European homogeneous countries from ever winning.

For the umpteenth time, the criteria for diversity include women, LGBT+, and people with disabilities, all of whom are found in Europe, plus every film will have an American distribution and marketing partner which can be diverse.

That said, if a film like “Life is Beautiful” never wins again I would consider that a victory for humanity. (I’m Jewish but found it revolting)

Why?

P. S. Lmao StateBoiler butchering the original title (which is actually "La vita è bella")
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« Reply #104 on: September 17, 2020, 12:53:59 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2020, 01:03:37 PM by StateBoiler »

Basically this will force Oscar contenders to fulfill the following 2/4 following criteria:

1) Onscreen Representation, Themes and Narratives
2) Creative Leadership and Project Team
3) Industry Access and Opportunities
4) Audience Development

So a film like "The Artist" or "La Bella e Vita" will never win again? (I know La Bella e Vita depicts Jews but that's not diverse to some people.) This effectively rules out foreign films from European homogeneous countries from ever winning.

For the umpteenth time, the criteria for diversity include women, LGBT+, and people with disabilities, all of whom are found in Europe, plus every film will have an American distribution and marketing partner which can be diverse.

Based on that response you've had no experience with what's going on over here. When the people that are militantly pushing diversity talk about it, they're not talking about gender or homosexuality. Black people looked at Pete Buttigieg and didn't see a gay mayor, they saw a white dude that they perceived as condescending to them. If he claimed discrimination, they would treat it incredulously. Fair? No, but since when did fairness matter?

There's "rules" and then there's "perceived rules". I just bet that in 10 years "The Artist" wouldn't meet perceived rules according to the Academy's electorate. I've had a lot of discussions with people that will argue with you their belief that it is impossible to discriminate against a white person, so diversity is purely a visual thing to them.
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« Reply #105 on: September 17, 2020, 08:57:47 PM »

Basically this will force Oscar contenders to fulfill the following 2/4 following criteria:

1) Onscreen Representation, Themes and Narratives
2) Creative Leadership and Project Team
3) Industry Access and Opportunities
4) Audience Development

So a film like "The Artist" or "La Bella e Vita" will never win again? (I know La Bella e Vita depicts Jews but that's not diverse to some people.) This effectively rules out foreign films from European homogeneous countries from ever winning.

For the umpteenth time, the criteria for diversity include women, LGBT+, and people with disabilities, all of whom are found in Europe, plus every film will have an American distribution and marketing partner which can be diverse.

Based on that response you've had no experience with what's going on over here. When the people that are militantly pushing diversity talk about it, they're not talking about gender or homosexuality. Black people looked at Pete Buttigieg and didn't see a gay mayor, they saw a white dude that they perceived as condescending to them. If he claimed discrimination, they would treat it incredulously. Fair? No, but since when did fairness matter?

There's "rules" and then there's "perceived rules". I just bet that in 10 years "The Artist" wouldn't meet perceived rules according to the Academy's electorate. I've had a lot of discussions with people that will argue with you their belief that it is impossible to discriminate against a white person, so diversity is purely a visual thing to them.

When you consider who makes up the academy, they absolutely are.
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« Reply #106 on: September 17, 2020, 09:26:03 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2020, 09:29:20 PM by Brittain33 »

Basically this will force Oscar contenders to fulfill the following 2/4 following criteria:

1) Onscreen Representation, Themes and Narratives
2) Creative Leadership and Project Team
3) Industry Access and Opportunities
4) Audience Development

So a film like "The Artist" or "La Bella e Vita" will never win again? (I know La Bella e Vita depicts Jews but that's not diverse to some people.) This effectively rules out foreign films from European homogeneous countries from ever winning.

For the umpteenth time, the criteria for diversity include women, LGBT+, and people with disabilities, all of whom are found in Europe, plus every film will have an American distribution and marketing partner which can be diverse.

Based on that response you've had no experience with what's going on over here. When the people that are militantly pushing diversity talk about it, they're not talking about gender or homosexuality. Black people looked at Pete Buttigieg and didn't see a gay mayor, they saw a white dude that they perceived as condescending to them. If he claimed discrimination, they would treat it incredulously. Fair? No, but since when did fairness matter?

There's "rules" and then there's "perceived rules". I just bet that in 10 years "The Artist" wouldn't meet perceived rules according to the Academy's electorate. I've had a lot of discussions with people that will argue with you their belief that it is impossible to discriminate against a white person, so diversity is purely a visual thing to them.

The avatar may be confusing, but I’m actually a gay man living in Massachusetts, not Napoleonic France. Smiley

It’s literally in the criteria of the Oscars that diversity includes those other categories I mentioned. Whether or not everyone would judge a picture as diverse, the Academy has agreed to these terms.

Yes, I observed how people didn’t see Buttigieg as overcoming adversity because he’s a white man—particularly women—and it upset me during the primary, but I accept it, because honestly most of the time I get white male privilege because it’s not obvious 24/7 I’m gay, even though I’m out. And black voters didn’t have any obligation to like Buttigieg.
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« Reply #107 on: September 17, 2020, 09:31:06 PM »

Basically this will force Oscar contenders to fulfill the following 2/4 following criteria:

1) Onscreen Representation, Themes and Narratives
2) Creative Leadership and Project Team
3) Industry Access and Opportunities
4) Audience Development

So a film like "The Artist" or "La Bella e Vita" will never win again? (I know La Bella e Vita depicts Jews but that's not diverse to some people.) This effectively rules out foreign films from European homogeneous countries from ever winning.

For the umpteenth time, the criteria for diversity include women, LGBT+, and people with disabilities, all of whom are found in Europe, plus every film will have an American distribution and marketing partner which can be diverse.

That said, if a film like “Life is Beautiful” never wins again I would consider that a victory for humanity. (I’m Jewish but found it revolting)

Why?

P. S. Lmao StateBoiler butchering the original title (which is actually "La vita è bella")

I might feel differently now that I’m a lot older, but at the time I thought it was inappropriate to play fast and loose with the history of the Holocaust in order to make a comedy. I appreciate now there were dimensions to the movie’s message that flew over my head, but it offended me then because the actual experience of the Holocaust was more like Schindler’s List or The Pianist.
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« Reply #108 on: September 18, 2020, 12:51:41 AM »


For the umpteenth time, the criteria for diversity include women, LGBT+, and people with disabilities, all of whom are found in Europe, plus every film will have an American distribution and marketing partner which can be diverse.

That said, if a film like “Life is Beautiful” never wins again I would consider that a victory for humanity. (I’m Jewish but found it revolting)

Why?

P. S. Lmao StateBoiler butchering the original title (which is actually "La vita è bella")

I might feel differently now that I’m a lot older, but at the time I thought it was inappropriate to play fast and loose with the history of the Holocaust in order to make a comedy. I appreciate now there were dimensions to the movie’s message that flew over my head, but it offended me then because the actual experience of the Holocaust was more like Schindler’s List or The Pianist.

I understand. I have always found it great instead, although of course I am biased in the other way because I am Italian.
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