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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2020, 11:19:42 AM »

I think the German political system is the best at producing a balance of substantial ideological blocs while preserving enough choice for the voter. If you're on the right there's the liberal party, the 'populist' party and the mainstream conservative party, if you're on the left there's the eco-liberal party, the vaguely socdem party and the radleft party.

An of course highly imperfect analogy to US politics would be if the Libertarian party was slightly larger, and the hardcore Trumpists were split off from the Reagan-Bush conservatives; and on the left the Bernouts had their own party while the centre-left was covered by an old-style New Deal coalition party and a more upscale Obama coalition liberal party.

I agree with most of this, but while the CDU does contain Germany’s equivalent of Reagan-Bush conservatives, perhaps the more substantial bloc are more analogous to the Rockefeller Republicans - in British terms, ‘One Nation Conservatives’. Of course these are, with the exception of some Northeastern governors, all but extinct in the US. America would be much better off with a Rockefeller/CDU-style party.
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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2020, 11:38:22 AM »


while the CDU does contain Germany’s equivalent of Reagan-Bush conservatives



Is this referring to the CSU?
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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2020, 11:44:42 AM »

while the CDU does contain Germany’s equivalent of Reagan-Bush conservatives



Is this referring to the CSU?

The CSU are more socially conservative; traditionally they were even a little bit to the left economically of the CDU. I was referring to the likes of Friedrich Merz within the CDU, but I guess you could also include many members of the CSU as well with their talk of “values”.
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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2020, 02:10:18 PM »

I think the German political system is the best at producing a balance of substantial ideological blocs while preserving enough choice for the voter. If you're on the right there's the liberal party, the 'populist' party and the mainstream conservative party, if you're on the left there's the eco-liberal party, the vaguely socdem party and the radleft party.

An of course highly imperfect analogy to US politics would be if the Libertarian party was slightly larger, and the hardcore Trumpists were split off from the Reagan-Bush conservatives; and on the left the Bernouts had their own party while the centre-left was covered by an old-style New Deal coalition party and a more upscale Obama coalition liberal party.

I agree with most of this, but while the CDU does contain Germany’s equivalent of Reagan-Bush conservatives, perhaps the more substantial bloc are more analogous to the Rockefeller Republicans - in British terms, ‘One Nation Conservatives’. Of course these are, with the exception of some Northeastern governors, all but extinct in the US. America would be much better off with a Rockefeller/CDU-style party.

Well yes the analogy is obviously imaginative because political coalitions are different between countries, I was drawing in broad brushstrokes about what the mainstream political factions are in the US. There isn't a US equivalent to the SPD at all either, American liberalism is a very imperfect fit.
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« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2020, 06:34:54 AM »

Almost any european political system (but not - present US one) would suit me. Generally i would prefer 4-5 parties, running the gamut from solid socialists on the left to solid conservatives on the right, and parlamentary, not FPTP-presidential system. But even 1950th-1970th US political system, when both parties still tolerated "big tent", is far preferrable to present day idiocy..
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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2020, 05:12:29 PM »

I would like to see 4.

I want the Libertarian Party and the People's Party to be taken more seriously.
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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2020, 09:58:44 AM »

I would like to see 4.

I want the Libertarian Party and the People's Party to be taken more seriously.

What is the People's Party?
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2020, 11:00:07 AM »

I would like to see 4.

I want the Libertarian Party and the People's Party to be taken more seriously.

What is the People's Party?

This sh!t LMAOOOOOOOOO!
https://peoplesparty.org/
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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2020, 11:42:12 AM »

Progressive Party- Sanders/AOC
Center Left Party- Biden/Klobuchar
Center Right Party- Romney/Flake
Conservative Party - Trump/QAnon

In no universe are Romney and Flake center right, what you're looking for is "Trumpian, non-Trumpian"

I don't want to live in a world where Jeff Flake is centre right.

He is
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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2020, 02:13:30 PM »

Green-Left Party (AOC, Omar, Sanders)
Social Democratic Party (Biden, Obama, Brown, Markey)
Liberal Party (Bloomberg, Sinema, Baker, Scott)
People's Party (Manchin, Golden, Peterson)
Republican Party (Romney, Flake, Kasich)
Conservative party (Cruz, Hyde-Smith, Santorum)
America Nationalist Union (Trump, Hawley, welfare for white politicians that don't really exist right now)
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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2020, 07:59:13 PM »

The Freak Power Party
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« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2020, 01:31:17 PM »

Solidarity but nationally. 
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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2020, 07:57:24 PM »

I could conceivably see a ten-party system developing in a proportional system. Here would be the parties, following stereotypical European parliamentary lines.

Communist Party USA (Exactly what it says, hard-left)

Democratic Socialist Alliance (Berniecrat faction)

New Democratic Party (Clintonite faction)

The Republicans (Old-school, pre-2008 Republicans)

The Greens (Jill Stein, psychedelic environmentalists)

Libertarian Party (Rand Paul/Paul Ryan types)

Constitution Party (Generic Christian democratic party/traditionalists/evangelicals)

America First! (Trumpublicans)

African American National Congress (Black interests/Black minority interest party)

The Lone Star Party (Texan regionalist/secessionist party)
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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2020, 04:24:50 AM »

Constitution Party (Generic Christian democratic party/traditionalists/evangelicals)

Could you expand a bit on this? You seem to be putting too many things together.
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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2020, 07:21:45 AM »

Constitution Party (Generic Christian democratic party/traditionalists/evangelicals)

Could you expand a bit on this? You seem to be putting too many things together.

This party would be a sort of bridge party, at the intersection of libertarian economics (return to the gold standard, repeal the income tax, etc), and social conservatism (bring back prayer in school, ban abortion, make flag pledges mandatory). Its support base would mainly be in rural, mainly Protestant areas that were affected by deindustrialization post-NAFTA
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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2020, 07:52:19 AM »

Constitution Party (Generic Christian democratic party/traditionalists/evangelicals)

Could you expand a bit on this? You seem to be putting too many things together.

This party would be a sort of bridge party, at the intersection of libertarian economics (return to the gold standard, repeal the income tax, etc), and social conservatism (bring back prayer in school, ban abortion, make flag pledges mandatory). Its support base would mainly be in rural, mainly Protestant areas that were affected by deindustrialization post-NAFTA

Fair enough, I sort of understand it now. However it has little in common with European-style Christian democratic parties.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2020, 02:38:00 PM »

I would like to see a right wing party.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2020, 10:48:04 PM »

No more than two until Eelectraol reform is implemented to remove the spoiler effect.
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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2020, 06:51:10 PM »

I would like to see a right wing party.

What do you think the Republican Party is?
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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2020, 11:05:57 PM »

A party not owned by Wall Street and the military industrial complex.
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« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2020, 05:44:37 PM »

Social Democratic and Labor Party (center-left party, laborism, socially liberal, soft-left)
Main Street Party (Center-right to Center-left moderates, big tent, liberalism)
Conservative Party (Center-right party, anti-populist, anti-Trumpist)
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« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2021, 03:30:13 PM »

I would love to see a revival of the Ross Perot 90s reform party
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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2021, 07:15:38 PM »

a american verison of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_Justice
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« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2021, 02:48:36 PM »


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« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2021, 03:05:23 PM »

Five parties
-A major left party
-A major right party
-A lesser social conservative party
-A lesser centrist party with unique charms
-A lesser hard left party

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