Which Election was more winnable for Democrats? (Part Two)

[dw93]

Which election, where the Democrats lost 49 States, was more winnable?

[brucejoel99]

Idek, both McGovern & Mondale were totally & completely screwed.

[dw93]

To answer my own question, lol, I would say 1984, if only because Mondale was more electable than McGovern and due to the fact that unemployment was higher in 1984 than it was in 1972. I'd also say 1984 because Nixon in 1972 (and correct me if I'm wrong) seemed more palatable to Democrats than Reagan did.

[Podgy the Bear]

Too bad for Richard Nixon that he didn't recognize that the Democrats had no chance in 1972. 

[Podgy the Bear]

To answer my own question, lol, I would say 1984, if only because Mondale was more electable than McGovern and due to the fact that unemployment was higher in 1984 than it was in 1972. I'd also say 1984 because Nixon in 1972 (and correct me if I'm wrong) seemed more palatable to Democrats than Reagan did.

Nixon was expecting a very tough re-election fight in 1972.  At the start of the year, he was running even or slightly behind Edmund Muskie in the polls.  And there was a reasonable chance that George Wallace would run again as a 3rd party candidate. 

In his memoirs, Nixon never expected McGovern to get the nomination.  With a split Democratic Party, Nixon thought that at the DNC, the nomination would go to Ted Kennedy as a compromise candidate. 

These, and his foreign policy achievements, turned what looked to be another 1968 (at least in Nixon's mind) into a complete rout in 1972.

[dw93]

To answer my own question, lol, I would say 1984, if only because Mondale was more electable than McGovern and due to the fact that unemployment was higher in 1984 than it was in 1972. I'd also say 1984 because Nixon in 1972 (and correct me if I'm wrong) seemed more palatable to Democrats than Reagan did.

Nixon was expecting a very tough re-election fight in 1972.  At the start of the year, he was running even or slightly behind Edmund Muskie in the polls.  And there was a reasonable chance that George Wallace would run again as a 3rd party candidate. 

In his memoirs, Nixon never expected McGovern to get the nomination.  With a split Democratic Party, Nixon thought that at the DNC, the nomination would go to Ted Kennedy as a compromise candidate. 

These, and his foreign policy achievements, turned what looked to be another 1968 (at least in Nixon's mind) into a complete rout in 1972.

Reagan was pretty vulnerable between fall of 81 and late 83 early 84 though to. Reagan also had greater backlash in 1982 than Nixon did in 1970.

[Podgy the Bear]

To answer my own question, lol, I would say 1984, if only because Mondale was more electable than McGovern and due to the fact that unemployment was higher in 1984 than it was in 1972. I'd also say 1984 because Nixon in 1972 (and correct me if I'm wrong) seemed more palatable to Democrats than Reagan did.

Nixon was expecting a very tough re-election fight in 1972.  At the start of the year, he was running even or slightly behind Edmund Muskie in the polls.  And there was a reasonable chance that George Wallace would run again as a 3rd party candidate. 

In his memoirs, Nixon never expected McGovern to get the nomination.  With a split Democratic Party, Nixon thought that at the DNC, the nomination would go to Ted Kennedy as a compromise candidate. 

These, and his foreign policy achievements, turned what looked to be another 1968 (at least in Nixon's mind) into a complete rout in 1972.

Reagan was pretty vulnerable between fall of 81 and late 83 early 84 though to. Reagan also had greater backlash in 1982 than Nixon did in 1970.

Both of them were quite vulnerable during extended periods in their first term.  But to the best of my knowledge, Reagan never set up anything that resulted in a Watergate!

[dw93]

To answer my own question, lol, I would say 1984, if only because Mondale was more electable than McGovern and due to the fact that unemployment was higher in 1984 than it was in 1972. I'd also say 1984 because Nixon in 1972 (and correct me if I'm wrong) seemed more palatable to Democrats than Reagan did.

Nixon was expecting a very tough re-election fight in 1972.  At the start of the year, he was running even or slightly behind Edmund Muskie in the polls.  And there was a reasonable chance that George Wallace would run again as a 3rd party candidate. 

In his memoirs, Nixon never expected McGovern to get the nomination.  With a split Democratic Party, Nixon thought that at the DNC, the nomination would go to Ted Kennedy as a compromise candidate. 

These, and his foreign policy achievements, turned what looked to be another 1968 (at least in Nixon's mind) into a complete rout in 1972.

Reagan was pretty vulnerable between fall of 81 and late 83 early 84 though to. Reagan also had greater backlash in 1982 than Nixon did in 1970.

Both of them were quite vulnerable during extended periods in their first term.  But to the best of my knowledge, Reagan never set up anything that resulted in a Watergate!

True, but that doesn't make 1972 more winnable IMHO.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Neither but I think a Generic D does better in 1972 than 1984(McGovern was not a generic D while Mondale pretty much was)

[Liberalrocks]

The impossible question, but I’ll go with Mondale in 84, he was perceived to be more mainstream and less fringe then McGovern, he ran more as a new deal type democrat. Mondale did better in the national popular vote then McGovern (Perhaps due to Ferraro?) and came close to winning both Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Outside of Massachusetts in 72 there were no other states McGovern came within a few points of winning.

[morgankingsley]

I have to go with 84

[OSR stands with Israel]

To answer my own question, lol, I would say 1984, if only because Mondale was more electable than McGovern and due to the fact that unemployment was higher in 1984 than it was in 1972. I'd also say 1984 because Nixon in 1972 (and correct me if I'm wrong) seemed more palatable to Democrats than Reagan did.

Nixon was expecting a very tough re-election fight in 1972.  At the start of the year, he was running even or slightly behind Edmund Muskie in the polls.  And there was a reasonable chance that George Wallace would run again as a 3rd party candidate. 

In his memoirs, Nixon never expected McGovern to get the nomination.  With a split Democratic Party, Nixon thought that at the DNC, the nomination would go to Ted Kennedy as a compromise candidate. 

These, and his foreign policy achievements, turned what looked to be another 1968 (at least in Nixon's mind) into a complete rout in 1972.

Reagan was pretty vulnerable between fall of 81 and late 83 early 84 though to. Reagan also had greater backlash in 1982 than Nixon did in 1970.

1982 wasn’t really that bad for the GOP , they still were in better position after 1982 than they were before 1980 .


Usually in midterms all your gains from the previous cycle are wiped out , which was not the case in 1982

[darklordoftech]

If generic D was nominated in both elections, the answer would be 1972.

[Sumner 1868]

Well, on paper 1972 was more winnable, but if the Federal Reserve had never cut interest rates in 1983 Reagan would have been in real trouble.