NYC Mayor/2021 Megathread

[Alben Barkley]

Am I the only one who doesn't think any of these candidates are particularly good?

[Alben Barkley]

I like how Yang strongly praised Garcia and outright told his supporters to pick her number two, but she refused to do either in return LOL. He must really hate Adams. This late game plot twist certainly could shake things up.

[Alben Barkley]

The whole Yang-Garcia maneuver seems like a big mistake to me.  I really do not like any of the candidates and if forced would most likely reluctantly be for Adams so I do not care that much either way.  But when you openly collude like you are just pushing up Adam's chances which I assume is the opposite of what they want.

People always act like there's some big conspiracy or even that it's somehow "cheating" when candidates act strategically by endorsing or rallying around another candidate they prefer over someone they dislike much more. It's f--king bizarre. Same thing happened when most moderate Dems dropped out last year to endorse Biden and stop Sanders. No it doesn't mean it's "rigged." It's f--king politics. "Colluding" is part of the game. Nobody makes a commitment when they run to never drop out to endorse another candidate or co-endorse another candidate or tell their voters to vote for another candidate in certain circumstances (like when Rubio told his Ohio supporters to vote for Kasich in the 2016 primaries). Again, it's f--king politics. It's how the game is played. It's not some kind of strange idealistic crusade.

And I know of no evidence it has this weird backfire effect you seem to think it does either; people do it because it works. And it's not like "strange bedfellow" alliances against a common foe are anything new, in or outside politics. The f--king US and USSR teamed up against the Nazis. Moreover, when you take into account the nature of this new ranked choice system, there's much more incentive to form alliances like this.

[Alben Barkley]

https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1407510160227061764?s=21

The Millenials' William Jennings Bryan.

An iconic idealogue, but one that could never get the job done in the big elections.

Bryan at least could get the nomination (3 times too)

Plus that description fits Bernie way better anyway (even though he also could not get nominated).

[Alben Barkley]

Watch Sliwa beat Adams in the general.

[Alben Barkley]

Who’s got the precinct map?

Never mind, here:

https://rrhelections.com/

[Alben Barkley]

Is it safe to say that Andrew Yang's political career is over?

How can something that never really began end?

[Alben Barkley]

Is it safe to say that Andrew Yang's political career is over?

Remember Jon Ossoff?

Ossoff barely lost a general election in a rapidly D-trending district in a rapidly D-trending state.

Yang failed spectacularly in a primary race that was supposed to be his to lose, after already flopping in an overambitious presidential run.

I don’t think it’s comparable.

[Alben Barkley]

Anyway, it's a lot easier to comment on coalitions now:

Adams: Nearly all black voters, other than the young and highly educated. A significant portion of Hispanic voters but not as dominant as among black voters. Orthodox Jews, but not ultra-Orthodox Jews.
Garcia: Middle and upper-income white liberal voters, especially over the age of 30, and conservative non-Jewish white voters (i.e., excluding all Orthodox Jews).
Wiley: Young, liberal, highly educated voters of all ethnicities but especially young white voters, and some other Hispanic voters.
Yang: Asian voters and ultra-Orthodox Jews and nobody else.

Can someone explain again why exactly Yang is dominating with ultra-Orthodox Jews?

[Alben Barkley]

Anyway, it's a lot easier to comment on coalitions now:

Adams: Nearly all black voters, other than the young and highly educated. A significant portion of Hispanic voters but not as dominant as among black voters. Orthodox Jews, but not ultra-Orthodox Jews.
Garcia: Middle and upper-income white liberal voters, especially over the age of 30, and conservative non-Jewish white voters (i.e., excluding all Orthodox Jews).
Wiley: Young, liberal, highly educated voters of all ethnicities but especially young white voters, and some other Hispanic voters.
Yang: Asian voters and ultra-Orthodox Jews and nobody else.

Can someone explain again why exactly Yang is dominating with ultra-Orthodox Jews?

He came out in strong support of Israel.

But I thought the ultra-Orthodox Jews were the ones least likely to be Zionist?

[Alben Barkley]

Democrats will need to pivot hard, nationally, to be tough on crime after this. Even their base voters in the Bronx are sick of the "defund" nonsense. Electoral disaster in 2022 awaits otherwise.

Buffalo and Rochester Mayoral primary results suggest otherwise. Two powerhouse NY Dem. Party Mayors, very "tough on crime" and business-friendly, just collapsed to Democratic Socialist candidates.

The need for Biden Democrats is a purple state issue - not a blue state issue. Stop fearing the paper tiger.

Since the battlegrounds in 2022 will obviously be in purple districts, and in purple states in 2024, I don’t see how this changes anything. Also even electing/nominating far left candidates in safe districts/states hurts the party’s national image with swing voters in purple states/districts. And in some cases can make those districts/states less safe than they should be. IDK if there’s a chance for a Republican to win in Buffalo or Rochester, but wouldn’t be surprised if the DSA candidates underperform at least.

[Alben Barkley]

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1408094252832231431?s=20

Gotta admit, I like some of what he says here despite the vanity. Democrats probably should return more to being the party of working/common people and less the party of woke wine moms and such. That doesn’t mean we should go full populist/soccon or anything, or abandon intellect and our educated base. But it does mean we shouldn’t live in bubbles and ivory towers using rhetoric that alienates the very people we claim to be fighting for.

[Alben Barkley]

LOL is there any state in the nation more incompetent at running elections than New York?

[Alben Barkley]

Wasserman seems convinced that the Bronx is being underreported/undercounted:

https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1410124165663924228?s=21

https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1410116699601440771?s=21

https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1410102924567527424?s=21

If Garcia catches up, it will be pretty easy for Adams to pull a “Stop the Steal!” thanks to the BOE’s incompetence.

[Alben Barkley]

Dave is trying really hard to compensate for the fact that he thought Adams was going to win.

Seems to me that Dave is analyzing the data he has in front of him as well as ever. Not his fault the NYC BOE is such a clusterf—k. And Adams very well still could win. Anyone who says otherwise based on some extremely faulty and erroneously released data is kidding themselves.

[Alben Barkley]

The worst part about this is Trump, very predictably, using it as evidence that elections in this country cannot be trusted.

Does it make logical sense to assume or argue that because NYC is screwing this up, AZ/GA/WI must have screwed up the presidential election and stole it for Biden?

No.

But it doesn’t HAVE to make logical sense. It just has to FEEL right to a lot of people, and it helps Trump. Just like the whole lab leak thing; the mere appearance of Trump being right about something that liberal institutions/media tried to cover up is damaging, regardless of how reflective of reality it is.

Goddamn it people. He’s barely been gone six months and we’ve already given him and his people tons of ammo they can use to try for a comeback. Most of it just sheer, baffling incompetence that was easily preventable. It’s embarrassing.

[Alben Barkley]

New York can be dumb and stupid all on its own without us having to give credence to the latest round of "here's why our trying to steal the election was okay!"

This is the rational response. It's an apples to oranges comparison. in no way does this incident of frustrating incompetence resemble any of the vote counting in 2020 which was almost entirely flawless, minus some slow counts here and there in some places, no matter how much Republicans might want to believe otherwise. It's asinine for this blunder to in any way make anyone want to give even the slightest bit of legitimacy to our country's transformation into an autocratic state where GOP controlled legislatures can overturn election results they disagree with.

It sure is, but again that’s not gonna stop people from doing it anyway.

[Alben Barkley]

Garcia is who I would have voted for if forced to choose between these candidates by the way, so I’ll be mildly and pleasantly surprised if she pulls it out after all as it now looks she’s favored to do.

Hopefully she can do something about the city’s rat problem as a former sanitation commissioner; according to her, de Blasio obstructed her efforts to exterminate those vermin. With her in charge, maybe NYC will finally get the rat genocide it deserves. One can hope!

[Alben Barkley]

DAVE IS VINDICATED!!!

https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1412542605322293255?s=21

[Alben Barkley]

DAVE IS VINDICATED!!!

https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1412542605322293255?s=21

You say that like it's a good thing...

Good for Dave, people were writing him off in this thread and I’m glad he keeps his perfect streak in the end.

As for the actual outcome, as I said before I don’t really care as I don't really like any of the candidates. I probably would have voted for Garcia but I don’t think Adams is going to be as bad as some here do.

[Alben Barkley]

Noooooo please don’t stay gone for good!!! What will NYC ever do without you???

LOL, if we’re lucky Adams will trigger a mass exodus of the most insufferable New York hipsters and then the city will actually become cool and livable again.

[Alben Barkley]

So, Silwa's  Chances of carrying Staten Island? There is enough despisal of deblazio deblasio and, although Adams was a cop, hes not exactly the typical Staten Island voters type of cop for multiple reasons.  It's still such a weak  Candidacy though that navy Adams has a shot there?

Why wouldn't Silwa carry Staten Island? It hasn't voted for a Democrat for mayor since 1985 and there's no reason why this would be the election to break that streak.

Adams is a pretty good fit for Staten Island. I'm not saying he'll win it, as Sliwa is also a good fit for it and yeah, it's a pretty Republican place. But I wouldn't be too surprised since Adams might well be the best Democratic candidate for Staten Island since Koch in 1985. There's also the fact that Sliwa's campaign is more of a meme than a serious candidacy.

[Alben Barkley]

So, Silwa's  Chances of carrying Staten Island? There is enough despisal of deblazio deblasio and, although Adams was a cop, hes not exactly the typical Staten Island voters type of cop for multiple reasons.  It's still such a weak  Candidacy though that navy Adams has a shot there?

Why wouldn't Silwa carry Staten Island? It hasn't voted for a Democrat for mayor since 1985 and there's no reason why this would be the election to break that streak.

Adams is a pretty good fit for Staten Island. I'm not saying he'll win it, as Sliwa is also a good fit for it and yeah, it's a pretty Republican place. But I wouldn't be too surprised since Adams might well be the best Democratic candidate for Staten Island since Koch in 1985. There's also the fact that Sliwa's campaign is more of a meme than a serious candidacy.

Adams is a black guy. He might be a good fit otherwise but thay factor alone makes him not a good fit for Staten Island.

It voted for Obama in 2012.

Also, Adams was endorsed by even the NY Post. I think people might be surprised by the amount of crossover support he could get. If however he gets little to none, might be more of a sign of how polarized the times are than anything.

[Alben Barkley]

Does anyone know if all that's in so far is same day?

I ask because if so, and Adams still has a 55 point lead bigger than BOTH of de Blasio's wins, then WOW.

Also would be helpful to know where most of the votes have come from, of course.

[Alben Barkley]

Adams lead just keeps going up though, damn, over 82% now. VERY nice. I think he's doing well enough in Staten Island that even if a lot of what's outstanding is there (and as the smallest borough, the votes there are largely dwarfed by the others anyway) he still could beat de Blasio's wins.

Well, at least SOMEONE showed up tonight for the Dems! Maybe he's the future of the Democratic Party after all...