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« Reply #1750 on: June 23, 2021, 06:46:12 AM »

Democrats will need to pivot hard, nationally, to be tough on crime after this. Even their base voters in the Bronx are sick of the "defund" nonsense. Electoral disaster in 2022 awaits otherwise.

Buffalo and Rochester Mayoral primary results suggest otherwise. Two powerhouse NY Dem. Party Mayors, very "tough on crime" and business-friendly, just collapsed to Democratic Socialist candidates.

The need for Biden Democrats is a purple state issue - not a blue state issue. Stop fearing the paper tiger.

I wish this were the case but Malik Evans was not a DSA candidate. He did have the WFP’s endorsement but most of his support as far as I can tell came from not being Lovely Warren.
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« Reply #1751 on: June 23, 2021, 07:00:34 AM »

Is there somewhere we can see how the DSA/progressive candidates are doing in the down ballot races?
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« Reply #1752 on: June 23, 2021, 08:07:04 AM »

Is there somewhere we can see how the DSA/progressive candidates are doing in the down ballot races?

DSA races - https://results.socialists.nyc/
All downballot - https://web.enrboenyc.us/index.html
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« Reply #1753 on: June 23, 2021, 08:12:01 AM »

I’m a little worried the absentees could shift Manhattan DA to Weinstein. They should be whiter than the in person votes.

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« Reply #1754 on: June 23, 2021, 08:26:15 AM »

How many mail/absentee ballots are out? Interesting to see how those come down, b/c I'd assume they'd be better for Garcia/Wiley than Adams.

87K already-returned & 150K outstanding, none of which have yet to be counted.

So we've got a decent sized amount left, which could lower Adams back into the 20s, and boost Garcia into the 20s. At least that's what I'm hoping.
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« Reply #1755 on: June 23, 2021, 08:53:25 AM »

I think Adams wins the mayor's race no matter who comes second. Garcia coming 2nd will make things closer though.
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« Reply #1756 on: June 23, 2021, 09:06:03 AM »

I think at this point with Wiley in 2nd, it will be crucial to see who Stringer/Yang/Garcia's coalition got behind as their next preferences. Really the only way Adams can lose at this point is if there was an extreme anti-Adams coalition amongst the other candidates' voters.
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« Reply #1757 on: June 23, 2021, 09:07:27 AM »

Wonderful to see the totally deranged NIMBY Hollingsworth lose in my city council district (Brooklyn 35).
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« Reply #1758 on: June 23, 2021, 09:19:56 AM »

Are city council elections ranked also?
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« Reply #1759 on: June 23, 2021, 09:24:06 AM »

Are city council elections ranked also?

Yeah, but a lot of them weren't particularly close. I just checked and Jim Gennaro won his second primary this year by a three-to-one margin over his closest competition (a radical from the same wing as Aboushie).
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« Reply #1760 on: June 23, 2021, 09:44:58 AM »

So NYC gets a Republican mayor after all, Cool.
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« Reply #1761 on: June 23, 2021, 09:47:53 AM »

Wonderful to see the totally deranged NIMBY Hollingsworth lose in my city council district (Brooklyn 35).
Hudson is 4% ahead so she's favored to win at this point, but way too soon to call with RCV / without absentees.
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« Reply #1762 on: June 23, 2021, 09:52:04 AM »

For what it's worth, turnout was relatively high (above 25%), the highest for a mayoral primary in a long time. Which matches my prediction that Garcia would do best with low turnout and Adams would do better the higher turnout was, within reason. High turnout probably helped Wiley a bit as well (and if we had started to get into very high turnout, above 30% or higher, it would have helped Wiley more and Adams less).
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« Reply #1763 on: June 23, 2021, 09:52:10 AM »

I've only been passively following this race, but I've seen some references to Yang support among Orthodox Jewish communities. Is there a backstory here that I missed?
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« Reply #1764 on: June 23, 2021, 09:52:57 AM »
« Edited: June 23, 2021, 09:57:57 AM by 306 »

I've only been passively following this race, but I've seen some references to Yang support among Orthodox Jewish communities. Is there a backstory here that I missed?

Ultra-Orthodox specifically. Yang supported the city largely letting them run their yeshivas without any educational content in exchange for their support. Other candidates (except Adams) were more mixed or ignored the issue (because they know the yeshivas should be required to teach subjects like math, English and history morally and are actually required to do so under the law but don't want to anger the ultra-Orthodox).

I do wonder if, had Yang been elected, he would have simply stabbed them in the back and started cracking down on yeshivas that don't teach basic subjects. Doesn't seem entirely impossible.
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« Reply #1765 on: June 23, 2021, 09:55:52 AM »

Adams won because hes put in work in the community for decades - no other candidate could say the same.

This isn't at odds with Lief's story. Adams took a different line on police reform both because he had enough grassroots support of his own that there was no need to pander to radical activists and because, compared to his competitors, he was uniquely in touch with how the crime wave is affecting people who can't avoid the streets or the subway.
https://twitter.com/__seab/status/1407698963764068355?s=20
Not pandering here? C'mon!
Eric Adams has pandered to radical activists his whole life - that's why he was hanging with the Nation in the 90s and why he endorsed Bernie in 2016. It's just a different set/age group of them.
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« Reply #1766 on: June 23, 2021, 09:57:25 AM »

I've only been passively following this race, but I've seen some references to Yang support among Orthodox Jewish communities. Is there a backstory here that I missed?

Ultra-Orthodox specifically. Yang supported the city largely letting them run their yeshivas without any educational content. Other candidates (except Adams) were more mixed or ignored the issue (because they know the yeshivas should be required to teach subjects like math, English and history morally and are actually required to do so under the law but don't want to anger the ultra-Orthodox).
Adams beat Yang in many Orthodox communities. Another example of people holding on to assumptions from a few months ago and not noticing the reality on the ground.
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« Reply #1767 on: June 23, 2021, 09:58:34 AM »

I've only been passively following this race, but I've seen some references to Yang support among Orthodox Jewish communities. Is there a backstory here that I missed?

Ultra-Orthodox specifically. Yang supported the city largely letting them run their yeshivas without any educational content. Other candidates (except Adams) were more mixed or ignored the issue (because they know the yeshivas should be required to teach subjects like math, English and history morally and are actually required to do so under the law but don't want to anger the ultra-Orthodox).
Adams beat Yang in many Orthodox communities. Another example of people holding on to assumptions from a few months ago and not noticing the reality on the ground.

Adams won in Orthodox areas (where yeshivas are not relevant as a topic as regular-way Orthodox yeshivas teach basic subjects to competence) but not ultra-Orthodox areas. Yang won all of the ultra-Orthodox communities with truly dominant figures (70-80% of the vote) except the Crown Heights one, which has long ties to Adams.
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« Reply #1768 on: June 23, 2021, 09:58:53 AM »

Wonderful to see the totally deranged NIMBY Hollingsworth lose in my city council district (Brooklyn 35).
Oh you live in my district, wonderful. I will meet you behind the Brooklyn Museum to defend Mike's honor.
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« Reply #1769 on: June 23, 2021, 10:00:00 AM »

I've only been passively following this race, but I've seen some references to Yang support among Orthodox Jewish communities. Is there a backstory here that I missed?

Ultra-Orthodox specifically. Yang supported the city largely letting them run their yeshivas without any educational content. Other candidates (except Adams) were more mixed or ignored the issue (because they know the yeshivas should be required to teach subjects like math, English and history morally and are actually required to do so under the law but don't want to anger the ultra-Orthodox).
Adams beat Yang in many Orthodox communities. Another example of people holding on to assumptions from a few months ago and not noticing the reality on the ground.

Adams won in Orthodox but not ultra-Orthodox areas. Yang won all of the ultra-Orthodox communities except the Crown Heights one, which has long ties to Adams.
Adams won Far Rock, Midwood, Flatbush, Kew Gardens, 1/3rd of Satmar Wburg.
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« Reply #1770 on: June 23, 2021, 10:11:07 AM »

This is troubling. Yang winning this race was the best chance of ensuring he never becomes president. Now that he will never be NYC mayor, that door is still open. Very scary thought.
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« Reply #1771 on: June 23, 2021, 10:30:53 AM »

Wonderful to see the totally deranged NIMBY Hollingsworth lose in my city council district (Brooklyn 35).
Oh you live in my district, wonderful. I will meet you behind the Brooklyn Museum to defend Mike's honor.

I actually thought he was fine to very good on everything else, but his housing rhetoric really annoyed me. Though to be honest I had a hard time picking here, he and Hudson didn’t really seem that different on the issues.
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« Reply #1772 on: June 23, 2021, 10:34:43 AM »

Democrats will need to pivot hard, nationally, to be tough on crime after this. Even their base voters in the Bronx are sick of the "defund" nonsense. Electoral disaster in 2022 awaits otherwise.
Lunatic take from these results - generic wfp progressives with no details given defund stances are crushing it.
Conservative greivance politics did not work in the council races anywhere. Adams won because hes put in work in the community for decades - no other candidate could say the same.

And meanwhile in Rochester... chanting  12 at a victory party. I love it Smiley https://twitter.com/WillCleveland13/status/1407541088169213953?s=20
On the Republican side we can. Curtis Sliwa has fought crime all his life, and he has survived assassination attempts by the Mafia & Gotti. Jr.
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« Reply #1773 on: June 23, 2021, 11:22:33 AM »

This is troubling. Yang winning this race was the best chance of ensuring he never becomes president. Now that he will never be NYC mayor, that door is still open. Very scary thought.

I disagree. Yang will always have a low ceiling as an outsider/"never held public office" within the Democratic party in national elections. That sort of schtick works a lot better with Republicans and independents and a lot better at the local level than the hyper-civically-minded Democratic presidential primary electorate.
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« Reply #1774 on: June 23, 2021, 01:29:14 PM »
« Edited: June 23, 2021, 01:32:20 PM by 306 »

I've only been passively following this race, but I've seen some references to Yang support among Orthodox Jewish communities. Is there a backstory here that I missed?

Ultra-Orthodox specifically. Yang supported the city largely letting them run their yeshivas without any educational content. Other candidates (except Adams) were more mixed or ignored the issue (because they know the yeshivas should be required to teach subjects like math, English and history morally and are actually required to do so under the law but don't want to anger the ultra-Orthodox).
Adams beat Yang in many Orthodox communities. Another example of people holding on to assumptions from a few months ago and not noticing the reality on the ground.

Adams won in Orthodox but not ultra-Orthodox areas. Yang won all of the ultra-Orthodox communities except the Crown Heights one, which has long ties to Adams.
Adams won Far Rock, Midwood, Flatbush, Kew Gardens, 1/3rd of Satmar Wburg.

Midwood and Flatbush are Orthodox but not ultra-Orthodox areas so prove my point. Yang won Kew Gardens Hills (the ultra-Orthodox enclave; Kew Gardens proper is not very Orthodox at all), though not by a huge margin and there seems to have been a divide where some precincts did vote Adams, generally was close in every precinct. Agree Adams won the ultra-Orthodox enclave in Far Rockaway, which is pretty small. Adams didn't win any precincts in the Satmar parts of Williamsburg, though he did get some votes (much less than 1/3 - more like 20%). I wasn't contending that Adams didn't win any ultra-Orthodox votes, just that he was the clear minority vote-getter among ultra-Orthodox.
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