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« Reply #2400 on: November 14, 2021, 01:05:56 AM »


Big deep dive in The City about Silwa's performance among Chinese voters. Silwa got 44% of the vote in precincts where more than half of residents are Asian, which is a better performance than enclaves for every other group. Lot of focus on issues like SHSAT and crime, ofc, but there's a foregrounding of fights over homeless shelter and jail locations which remind a lot about fights over similar issues in LA's Koreatown and Irvine.

Progressive Dems are blaming this on "misinformation on WeChat" now are totally missing the boat. The campaign is not misinformation, it is a legitimate message against the de Blasio administration which has embraced as its official policy just about every bullet point on that Sliwa poster. It's no wonder Asians in NYC are turning against them, and if the Dem candidate were not Eric Adams, who is not progressive and has disavowed many of de Blasio's stances, on Stuyvesant HS and policing in particular, the hemorrhaging would have been even worse.

I noticed there was some Twitter pushback against some of the statements in that pro-Sliwa Chinese-language poster. The Chinese equivalent to “Racial preference, discrimination, divide America” literally contains the phrase “black people first, Asian people last”- which is itself incredibly divisive and an affront to the Asians (Chinese or otherwise) who backed Adams in the primary.

But I agree with your overall point. There was always going to be some level of pushback against the local Dems among the Chinese enclaves regardless of who was on the ballot.

Generally agree with this, but also want to add that some of the things on that poster don’t really have an easy answer for Dems progressives and though I’m far from an expert on Chinese-American politics, reflect real divisions within the community beyond the activist-normie divide that’s discussed so much. E.g. just considering the demographics of all immigrant communities in NYC, I’d have to imagine that lenient policies towards illegal immigrants have a strong pull for some Asians. Same with homeless shelters and similar battles over the development of ‘undesirable’ projects which have to go somewhere assuming you want to exist (jails, needle exchange sites, pot stores, etc.).
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« Reply #2401 on: November 14, 2021, 10:53:11 AM »


Big deep dive in The City about Silwa's performance among Chinese voters. Silwa got 44% of the vote in precincts where more than half of residents are Asian, which is a better performance than enclaves for every other group. Lot of focus on issues like SHSAT and crime, ofc, but there's a foregrounding of fights over homeless shelter and jail locations which remind a lot about fights over similar issues in LA's Koreatown and Irvine.

Progressive Dems are blaming this on "misinformation on WeChat" now are totally missing the boat. The campaign is not misinformation, it is a legitimate message against the de Blasio administration which has embraced as its official policy just about every bullet point on that Sliwa poster. It's no wonder Asians in NYC are turning against them, and if the Dem candidate were not Eric Adams, who is not progressive and has disavowed many of de Blasio's stances, on Stuyvesant HS and policing in particular, the hemorrhaging would have been even worse.

I noticed there was some Twitter pushback against some of the statements in that pro-Sliwa Chinese-language poster. The Chinese equivalent to “Racial preference, discrimination, divide America” literally contains the phrase “black people first, Asian people last”- which is itself incredibly divisive and an affront to the Asians (Chinese or otherwise) who backed Adams in the primary.

But I agree with your overall point. There was always going to be some level of pushback against the local Dems among the Chinese enclaves regardless of who was on the ballot.

Generally agree with this, but also want to add that some of the things on that poster don’t really have an easy answer for Dems progressives and though I’m far from an expert on Chinese-American politics, reflect real divisions within the community beyond the activist-normie divide that’s discussed so much. E.g. just considering the demographics of all immigrant communities in NYC, I’d have to imagine that lenient policies towards illegal immigrants have a strong pull for some Asians. Same with homeless shelters and similar battles over the development of ‘undesirable’ projects which have to go somewhere assuming you want to exist (jails, needle exchange sites, pot stores, etc.).

I can read that poster too, and I agree, that line is quite nasty and is basically divide and conquer politics pitting one minority group against another. But to focus on that one line in one poster would be missing the boat on the very real grievances the Asian community has against de Blasio. The move to cancel Stuyvesant HS is an anti-Asian measure, pure and simple, and de Blasio showed a disgusting lack of support for Asian groups when they were targeted for violence last year and has embraced several policies, such as hosting homeless people in hotels, ending cash bail i.e. catch and release, and standing down the police, which have directly caused or contributed to the violence. To many Asian people "BLM" and "Defund the Police" meant giving thugs, many of them black, carte blanche to beat them up, rob them, and loot their property. Honestly I don't think immigration has much to do with it since the mayor of NYC doesn't have much authority on that anyway.
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« Reply #2402 on: November 14, 2021, 11:56:18 AM »


Big deep dive in The City about Silwa's performance among Chinese voters. Silwa got 44% of the vote in precincts where more than half of residents are Asian, which is a better performance than enclaves for every other group. Lot of focus on issues like SHSAT and crime, ofc, but there's a foregrounding of fights over homeless shelter and jail locations which remind a lot about fights over similar issues in LA's Koreatown and Irvine.

Progressive Dems are blaming this on "misinformation on WeChat" now are totally missing the boat. The campaign is not misinformation, it is a legitimate message against the de Blasio administration which has embraced as its official policy just about every bullet point on that Sliwa poster. It's no wonder Asians in NYC are turning against them, and if the Dem candidate were not Eric Adams, who is not progressive and has disavowed many of de Blasio's stances, on Stuyvesant HS and policing in particular, the hemorrhaging would have been even worse.


This is verifiably untrue
Lander and Williams are both over performing Adams right now
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« Reply #2403 on: November 14, 2021, 12:12:48 PM »


Big deep dive in The City about Silwa's performance among Chinese voters. Silwa got 44% of the vote in precincts where more than half of residents are Asian, which is a better performance than enclaves for every other group. Lot of focus on issues like SHSAT and crime, ofc, but there's a foregrounding of fights over homeless shelter and jail locations which remind a lot about fights over similar issues in LA's Koreatown and Irvine.

Progressive Dems are blaming this on "misinformation on WeChat" now are totally missing the boat. The campaign is not misinformation, it is a legitimate message against the de Blasio administration which has embraced as its official policy just about every bullet point on that Sliwa poster. It's no wonder Asians in NYC are turning against them, and if the Dem candidate were not Eric Adams, who is not progressive and has disavowed many of de Blasio's stances, on Stuyvesant HS and policing in particular, the hemorrhaging would have been even worse.


This is verifiably untrue
Lander and Williams are both over performing Adams right now

This is misleading, the mayor ballot had several progressive candidates while the other offices did not, and in the other offices the Conservative party got 6% of the votes for whatever reason. If you total up the number of votes on the left and right, all the offices would be around 70-30.

Also we were discussing Asian groups specifically and there isn't enough information on the other offices to say whether those candidates did better or worse.
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« Reply #2404 on: November 14, 2021, 12:17:10 PM »


Big deep dive in The City about Silwa's performance among Chinese voters. Silwa got 44% of the vote in precincts where more than half of residents are Asian, which is a better performance than enclaves for every other group. Lot of focus on issues like SHSAT and crime, ofc, but there's a foregrounding of fights over homeless shelter and jail locations which remind a lot about fights over similar issues in LA's Koreatown and Irvine.

Progressive Dems are blaming this on "misinformation on WeChat" now are totally missing the boat. The campaign is not misinformation, it is a legitimate message against the de Blasio administration which has embraced as its official policy just about every bullet point on that Sliwa poster. It's no wonder Asians in NYC are turning against them, and if the Dem candidate were not Eric Adams, who is not progressive and has disavowed many of de Blasio's stances, on Stuyvesant HS and policing in particular, the hemorrhaging would have been even worse.


This is verifiably untrue
Lander and Williams are both over performing Adams right now

This is misleading, the mayor ballot had several progressive candidates while the other offices did not, and in the other offices the Conservative party got 6% of the votes for whatever reason. If you total up the number of votes on the left and right, all the offices would be around 70-30.

Also we were discussing Asian groups specifically and there isn't enough information on the other offices to say whether those candidates did better or worse.


The Conservative Party getting 6% wouldn’t change Williams and Adams having a higher % of the vote than Adams. And there was really only one left wing splinter in the Mayor’s race. And my point really is that the mass hemorrhaging of Asian votes you’re describing didn’t occur, or else this overperformance, including in Queens and Brooklyn wouldn’t exist.
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« Reply #2405 on: November 14, 2021, 12:25:49 PM »


Big deep dive in The City about Silwa's performance among Chinese voters. Silwa got 44% of the vote in precincts where more than half of residents are Asian, which is a better performance than enclaves for every other group. Lot of focus on issues like SHSAT and crime, ofc, but there's a foregrounding of fights over homeless shelter and jail locations which remind a lot about fights over similar issues in LA's Koreatown and Irvine.

Progressive Dems are blaming this on "misinformation on WeChat" now are totally missing the boat. The campaign is not misinformation, it is a legitimate message against the de Blasio administration which has embraced as its official policy just about every bullet point on that Sliwa poster. It's no wonder Asians in NYC are turning against them, and if the Dem candidate were not Eric Adams, who is not progressive and has disavowed many of de Blasio's stances, on Stuyvesant HS and policing in particular, the hemorrhaging would have been even worse.


This is verifiably untrue
Lander and Williams are both over performing Adams right now

This is misleading, the mayor ballot had several progressive candidates while the other offices did not, and in the other offices the Conservative party got 6% of the votes for whatever reason. If you total up the number of votes on the left and right, all the offices would be around 70-30.

Also we were discussing Asian groups specifically and there isn't enough information on the other offices to say whether those candidates did better or worse.


Not even more than one Asian group, just the Chinatown Chinese really. Given DeBlasio’s well-known hostility towards Asians in general, I wouldn’t be surprised that Curtis would outperform downballot Rs in heavily Chinese areas at least.
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« Reply #2406 on: November 23, 2021, 03:55:49 AM »

The question was, probably, asked, but, in order NOT to search about 100 pages of the thread: anyone knows, when OFFICIAL general election results may be expected??? There are about 3 interesting NYC council races, which are (AFAIK) still outstanding...
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« Reply #2407 on: December 11, 2021, 11:30:30 AM »

I just learned today that the Republican candidate's name is Sliwa and not Silwa.
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