NYC Mayor/2021 Megathread

[Donerail]

The case against Rojas is not that she's "bad on China" or whatever but that she's not going to win, and it's not clear to me how it would benefit DSA in any way to endorse her. DSA does not do "paper endorsements" and it's frankly a little late in the campaign to roll out an endorsement.

Cathy Rojas is basically a DSAer in all but party and could be a turning point in advancing the DSA’s interest in the city. That’s like saying Eugene Debs’ runs were bad for the socialist movement because he had no chance.

DSA actually has done “paper endorsements” in the past and works with other parties and groups no problem, doing this would help the DSA get street cred and form tactical alliances with the PSL for anything related to mutual aide, anti war stuff, canceling evictions, and possible electoral partnerships and alliances with the PSL later.

Rojas is not Eugene Debs lmfao. Anyway, DSA has a policy against paper endorsements, and your argument is "no they don't."

[PSOL]

The case against Rojas is not that she's "bad on China" or whatever but that she's not going to win, and it's not clear to me how it would benefit DSA in any way to endorse her. DSA does not do "paper endorsements" and it's frankly a little late in the campaign to roll out an endorsement.

Cathy Rojas is basically a DSAer in all but party and could be a turning point in advancing the DSA’s interest in the city. That’s like saying Eugene Debs’ runs were bad for the socialist movement because he had no chance.

DSA actually has done “paper endorsements” in the past and works with other parties and groups no problem, doing this would help the DSA get street cred and form tactical alliances with the PSL for anything related to mutual aide, anti war stuff, canceling evictions, and possible electoral partnerships and alliances with the PSL later.

Rojas is not Eugene Debs lmfao. Anyway, DSA has a policy against paper endorsements, and your argument is "no they don't."

I have never claimed that she was, only that it makes sense not to build a working relationship with the PSL and direct people away from the awful Democratic candidate. It preps the voters on GOTV discipline.

No they don’t, they have endorsed Greens in Maryland and California before just fine with little work.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'd probably vote for Rojas if I was a New Yorker, but let's not pretend like she has the slightest chance to even come close to winning.

[PSOL]

I'd probably vote for Rojas if I was a New Yorker, but let's not pretend like she has the slightest chance to even come close to winning.

Neither did Debs or the SDP in the 1870s, yet it was a start of something much bigger.

[Donerail]

No they don’t, they have endorsed Greens in Maryland and California before just fine with little work.

Let me put this as simply as I can: this policy exists and it is why the NYC DSA has not endorsed Cathy Rojas in the NYC mayoral election, which is the election this thread is about. Whether they endorsed a Green candidate in Maryland or whatever several years ago is irrelevant — the policy exists and explains their endorsement decision in this race.

I believe this is the first Union endorsement

https://mobile.twitter.com/rojas4mayor2021/status/1446504838754353153

This is not a "union endorsement," it is an endorsement by a person who happens to be a member of a union. TWU Local 100 has endorsed Adams.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'd probably vote for Rojas if I was a New Yorker, but let's not pretend like she has the slightest chance to even come close to winning.

Neither did Debs or the SDP in the 1870s, yet it was a start of something much bigger.

Hope springs eternal, I guess, but I'm gonna need evidence that this is anything more than the umpteenth third-party lefty candidate who's going to go down as a footnote and make no impact on anything.

[thebeloitmoderate]

Adams is going to be the winner of this race regardless. Silwa isn't even being politically serious and his whole mayor campaign is a joke even to the cops/firepersons. Unless if you're a AOC/bernie fan the dsa pick for mayor is not even going to get 2 to 3 percent of the vote

[Duke of York]

Adams is going to be the winner of this race regardless. Silwa isn't even being politically serious and his whole mayor campaign is a joke even to the cops/firepersons. Unless if you're a AOC/bernie fan the dsa pick for mayor is not even going to get 2 to 3 percent of the vote

What makes you say that?

[thebeloitmoderate]

Adams is going to be the winner of this race regardless. Silwa isn't even being politically serious and his whole mayor campaign is a joke even to the cops/firepersons. Unless if you're a AOC/bernie fan the dsa pick for mayor is not even going to get 2 to 3 percent of the vote

What makes you say that?

Animal welfare is to Silwa since he is a huge cat owner and the DSA's are pretty much fringy extreme left wing democrats that even AOC fans will have to pick Adams as mayor. 

[warandwar]

No they don’t, they have endorsed Greens in Maryland and California before just fine with little work.

Let me put this as simply as I can: this policy exists and it is why the NYC DSA has not endorsed Cathy Rojas in the NYC mayoral election, which is the election this thread is about. Whether they endorsed a Green candidate in Maryland or whatever several years ago is irrelevant — the policy exists and explains their endorsement decision in this race.

I believe this is the first Union endorsement

https://mobile.twitter.com/rojas4mayor2021/status/1446504838754353153

This is not a "union endorsement," it is an endorsement by a person who happens to be a member of a union. TWU Local 100 has endorsed Adams.

I think she's the highest ranking person in twu 100 fightback so it's actually not a bad get.
Like the primary, I'll write in my buddy.
I'm looking forward to the debate

[PSOL]

I'd probably vote for Rojas if I was a New Yorker, but let's not pretend like she has the slightest chance to even come close to winning.

Neither did Debs or the SDP in the 1870s, yet it was a start of something much bigger.

Hope springs eternal, I guess, but I'm gonna need evidence that this is anything more than the umpteenth third-party lefty candidate who's going to go down as a footnote and make no impact on anything.

Well then, let’s use an analogy

In 1885, the United Kingdom held an parliamentary election. Would you have chosen the pragmatic and expected option of the Liberals or have backed the strains that would become the Labour Party; the Lib-Labour list and Social Democratic Federation? Would you have even backed the Chartalist movement before in its split from the Liberals?

All great movements start off small, it grows if those people in the know of the need for such a movement join it. Do you want to build the American workers movement? Well here is a chance to vote for them.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'd probably vote for Rojas if I was a New Yorker, but let's not pretend like she has the slightest chance to even come close to winning.

Neither did Debs or the SDP in the 1870s, yet it was a start of something much bigger.

Hope springs eternal, I guess, but I'm gonna need evidence that this is anything more than the umpteenth third-party lefty candidate who's going to go down as a footnote and make no impact on anything.

Well then, let’s use an analogy

In 1885, the United Kingdom held an parliamentary election. Would you have chosen the pragmatic and expected option of the Liberals or have backed the strains that would become the Labour Party; the Lib-Labour list and Social Democratic Federation? Would you have even backed the Chartalist movement before in its split from the Liberals?

All great movements start off small, it grows if those people in the know of the need for such a movement join it. Do you want to build the American workers movement? Well here is a chance to vote for them.

Hindsight sure is 20/20, so it's pretty easy to pick one of the instance where a fringe left-wing movement grew to become a major party and ignore the hundreds of instances where that didn't happen. Not to mention that the material conditions that were driving the rise of social-democratic parties in 19th century Europe have very little to do with those affecting US society today.

Anyway, to answer your question, you bet I probably would have voted Liberal in 1885, at least assuming I was in a competitive district. Are you seriously expecting me to risk handing the country to the reactionary Tories for the off-chance that a bunch of scattered leftist movements might one day grow into a mass party?

[PSOL]

I'd probably vote for Rojas if I was a New Yorker, but let's not pretend like she has the slightest chance to even come close to winning.

Neither did Debs or the SDP in the 1870s, yet it was a start of something much bigger.

Hope springs eternal, I guess, but I'm gonna need evidence that this is anything more than the umpteenth third-party lefty candidate who's going to go down as a footnote and make no impact on anything.

Well then, let’s use an analogy

In 1885, the United Kingdom held an parliamentary election. Would you have chosen the pragmatic and expected option of the Liberals or have backed the strains that would become the Labour Party; the Lib-Labour list and Social Democratic Federation? Would you have even backed the Chartalist movement before in its split from the Liberals?

All great movements start off small, it grows if those people in the know of the need for such a movement join it. Do you want to build the American workers movement? Well here is a chance to vote for them.

Hindsight sure is 20/20, so it's pretty easy to pick one of the instance where a fringe left-wing movement grew to become a major party and ignore the hundreds of instances where that didn't happen. Not to mention that the material conditions that were driving the rise of social-democratic parties in 19th century Europe have very little to do with those affecting US society today.

Anyway, to answer your question, you bet I probably would have voted Liberal in 1885, at least assuming I was in a competitive district. Are you seriously expecting me to risk handing the country to the reactionary Tories for the off-chance that a bunch of scattered leftist movements might one day grow into a mass party?

We’re in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and have had continuous working class uprisings in Black Lives Matter and the fresh waves of strikes since the start. The level of class consciousness in the United States is at an all time high.

Off the bat you are abandoning any real chance at building the movement, instead taking the easy route and hoping that by being subservient, you can get the concessions you want through appeasement instead of real work. That is some serious lack of imagination even with all the hindsight in front of you.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'd probably vote for Rojas if I was a New Yorker, but let's not pretend like she has the slightest chance to even come close to winning.

Neither did Debs or the SDP in the 1870s, yet it was a start of something much bigger.

Hope springs eternal, I guess, but I'm gonna need evidence that this is anything more than the umpteenth third-party lefty candidate who's going to go down as a footnote and make no impact on anything.

Well then, let’s use an analogy

In 1885, the United Kingdom held an parliamentary election. Would you have chosen the pragmatic and expected option of the Liberals or have backed the strains that would become the Labour Party; the Lib-Labour list and Social Democratic Federation? Would you have even backed the Chartalist movement before in its split from the Liberals?

All great movements start off small, it grows if those people in the know of the need for such a movement join it. Do you want to build the American workers movement? Well here is a chance to vote for them.

Hindsight sure is 20/20, so it's pretty easy to pick one of the instance where a fringe left-wing movement grew to become a major party and ignore the hundreds of instances where that didn't happen. Not to mention that the material conditions that were driving the rise of social-democratic parties in 19th century Europe have very little to do with those affecting US society today.

Anyway, to answer your question, you bet I probably would have voted Liberal in 1885, at least assuming I was in a competitive district. Are you seriously expecting me to risk handing the country to the reactionary Tories for the off-chance that a bunch of scattered leftist movements might one day grow into a mass party?

We’re in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and have had continuous working class uprisings in Black Lives Matter and the fresh waves of strikes since the start. The level of class consciousness in the United States is at an all time high.

Off the bat you are abandoning any real chance at building the movement, instead taking the easy route and hoping that by being subservient, you can get the concessions you want through appeasement instead of real work. That is some serious lack of imagination even with all the hindsight in front of you.

Imagination is the ability to conceive of what might be. I'd like to think I have plenty of that, but it's pretty useless without the ability to assess how likely those possibilities are and what it would actually take for them to happen. You don't seem to have any concrete argument for how we get from A to B, just questionable historical parallels and "use your imagination" paeans. I'm sorry, but after 20 years of seeing the left lose and retreat, I'm going to need a bit more than that.

As for the idea of class consciousness being "at an all time high", I really don't see that. Strikes are nice, and I certainly wish them best, but they tend to be highly localized and aren't part of a broad labor movement that is capable of making demands at a national or even branch level. Union membership is still at an all-time low and it's telling that Democrats are feeling no major pressure to enact the PRO act or any other pro-union legislation. Meanwhile a growing share of the working class (and not even just the white working-class) is embracing reactionary politics. There's no fatality to any of this, but I'd like to see an actual plan of action to change at least some of these factors before I'm going to put serious hope into it.

[Duke of York]

Im still surprised there have been zero polls for this election. I thought we'd have gotten one by now.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Im still surprised there have been zero polls for this election. I thought we'd have gotten one by now.

Not that they would matter, but yeah, it is still kind of odd.

[Pyro]

There's an in-person debate on NBC right now, and Sliwa is out-doing Adams on a purely performative level. His main tactic is tying Adams to De Blasio, and Adams isn't giving much of a rebuttle. Though Adams wasn't a very good debater during the primary and that didn't seem to matter.

[Badger]

So, Silwa's  Chances of carrying Staten Island? There is enough despisal of deblazio deblasio and, although Adams was a cop, hes not exactly the typical Staten Island voters type of cop for multiple reasons.  It's still such a weak  Candidacy though that navy Adams has a shot there?

[Calthrina950]

So, Silwa's  Chances of carrying Staten Island? There is enough despisal of deblazio deblasio and, although Adams was a cop, hes not exactly the typical Staten Island voters type of cop for multiple reasons.  It's still such a weak  Candidacy though that navy Adams has a shot there?

I believe Silwa will still carry Staten Island, but it's possible that Adams outperforms DeBlasio there.

[Duke of York]

I find it interesting how we never got a single poll of the general election. I predict Adams will get at least 65 percent of the vote. I don't think he will reach 70 but its possible.

What do others think?

[StateBoiler]

What's the best-case results for the Republicans on City Council and for the sake of it, percentages in Mayor's race?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So, Silwa's  Chances of carrying Staten Island? There is enough despisal of deblazio deblasio and, although Adams was a cop, hes not exactly the typical Staten Island voters type of cop for multiple reasons.  It's still such a weak  Candidacy though that navy Adams has a shot there?

Why wouldn't Silwa carry Staten Island? It hasn't voted for a Democrat for mayor since 1985 and there's no reason why this would be the election to break that streak.

[PSOL]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rojas4mayor2021/status/1452646812792283147

[KaiserDave]

What's the best-case results for the Republicans on City Council and for the sake of it, percentages in Mayor's race?

Republicans could go from 3 to 5 or 6 City Council Seats from my estimate.

For Mayor, Sliwa could get 30% at most I think.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Why do all these progressive candidates use the visual language of trendy startup websites from 2011-2014?  The noisy off-white or off-pastel background, text shadow, slanted text on the logo and ribbon design element all scream Silicon Valley 2012.  Everyone watched The Social Network, read Hacker News, bought that one UX book that recommended this style, and went around copying each other until the entire internet looked samey.  I bet there's a golden ratio hidden in there somewhere.  At least skeuomorphism was left in the dustbin of the Obama administration.