NYC Mayor/2021 Megathread

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1410292229202194436

Cinyc did a deep dive. A number of these precincts are the not fully counted ones - there's one AD in Bronx for instance with about 60% of precincts only partially counted. But a good number are also fully counted precincts just with less primary voters - generally Hispanic ones affected by the factors listed earlier. So when taken their total number vs the whole into consideration, when accounting for the fact these are partially counted rather than not counted, when accounting for the fact they are across the boroughs...there really isn't much here. Dave's hyping up what is in effect the 5% of precincts known by the BOE to be not finished counting on E-Night and reported on their site - see the Cinyc tweet. And it seems likely the 7K we know about are these missing votes.

[Roll Roons]

I am anything but a Trump supporter, but he really does have a point when it comes to this.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

I am anything but a Trump supporter, but he really does have a point when it comes to this.

honestly. I think atlas could do a better job counting than the NY BOE at this point

[GeorgiaModerate]

I am anything but a Trump supporter, but he really does have a point when it comes to this.

If his point is that New York election administration sucks and desperately needs to be overhauled, he does have a point.

If his point is that Trump was treated unfairly in comparision...well, no.  This says it well:

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1410217337970642953

Trump had his day in court and with established election recount procedures; many days, in fact.  He got more than fair treatment, but just refuses to accept reality.

[President Johnson]

Exactly these incompetently run elections undermine trust and confidence and make it seem like Trump's BS of election fraud may be sort of true. New York state and the city are a disgrace when it comes to managing elections properly. Not want to sound lecturing here, but sometimes I think you guys just should get out and let us Europeans run your elections. We don't have the issues.

[Oryxslayer]

Exactly these incompetently run elections undermine trust and confidence and make it seem like Trump's BS of election fraud may be sort of true. New York state and the city are a disgrace when it comes to managing elections properly. Not want to sound lecturing here, but sometimes I think you guys just should get out and let us Europeans run your elections. We don't have the issues.

Federalism gives power over election administration to states rather than the national government, whose authority in this department is over electoral regulations like the VRA. This leads to 50 similar yet different sets of election laws. Responsibility for counting however is not on the states, like a national body, but on local authorities and counties. These local authorities each can have different voting machines, ballot structure, and enumeration schedules. The advantages of a dispersed rather than centralized election system are that it is nearly invulnerable to direct outside influence - because of the multitude of various systems - and because there is no central electoral body to politicize, there is not threat of that institution being captured and ballot boxes getting stuffed from the top down a la Turkey. The downsides are that individual localities are on their own, which could lead to local machines like what once existed in NY and Chicago, and that local governments lack the resources of a central administration to maximize efficiency.

Within these circumstances, importing election administrators would do nothing. The people who volunteer are trying their hardest - as they often let you know via social media. They are however operating within a dispersed system that prioritizes local ability to do what they want over efficiency.

[new_patomic]

New York can be dumb and stupid all on its own without us having to give credence to the latest round of "here's why our trying to steal the election was okay!"

[CookieDamage]

No, Trump does not have a point at all. Yes, NYBOE is incompetent but it doesn't look like they committed fraud, tried to steal an election, threw out ballots, or made that serious of an error.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Are we still getting the fixed tabulations today?

[Alben Barkley]

The worst part about this is Trump, very predictably, using it as evidence that elections in this country cannot be trusted.

Does it make logical sense to assume or argue that because NYC is screwing this up, AZ/GA/WI must have screwed up the presidential election and stole it for Biden?

No.

But it doesn’t HAVE to make logical sense. It just has to FEEL right to a lot of people, and it helps Trump. Just like the whole lab leak thing; the mere appearance of Trump being right about something that liberal institutions/media tried to cover up is damaging, regardless of how reflective of reality it is.

Goddamn it people. He’s barely been gone six months and we’ve already given him and his people tons of ammo they can use to try for a comeback. Most of it just sheer, baffling incompetence that was easily preventable. It’s embarrassing.

[Roll Roons]

Exactly these incompetently run elections undermine trust and confidence and make it seem like Trump's BS of election fraud may be sort of true. New York state and the city are a disgrace when it comes to managing elections properly. Not want to sound lecturing here, but sometimes I think you guys just should get out and let us Europeans run your elections. We don't have the issues.

Forget Europe. Florida does it completely right.

[wbrocks67]

Are we still getting the fixed tabulations today?

MTE. They said they'd have a new update today...

[KaiserDave]

Exactly these incompetently run elections undermine trust and confidence and make it seem like Trump's BS of election fraud may be sort of true. New York state and the city are a disgrace when it comes to managing elections properly. Not want to sound lecturing here, but sometimes I think you guys just should get out and let us Europeans run your elections. We don't have the issues.

Forget Europe. Florida does it completely right.

Ah yes, Florida, that bastion of....election efficiency and fairness....

[Roll Roons]

Exactly these incompetently run elections undermine trust and confidence and make it seem like Trump's BS of election fraud may be sort of true. New York state and the city are a disgrace when it comes to managing elections properly. Not want to sound lecturing here, but sometimes I think you guys just should get out and let us Europeans run your elections. We don't have the issues.

Forget Europe. Florida does it completely right.

Ah yes, Florida, that bastion of....election efficiency and fairness....

2000 was over two decades ago. Now, Florida's vote counting system is arguably the most efficient in the country.

[Donerail]

Exactly these incompetently run elections undermine trust and confidence and make it seem like Trump's BS of election fraud may be sort of true. New York state and the city are a disgrace when it comes to managing elections properly. Not want to sound lecturing here, but sometimes I think you guys just should get out and let us Europeans run your elections. We don't have the issues.

Forget Europe. Florida does it completely right.

Ah yes, Florida, that bastion of....election efficiency and fairness....

In 2018, Florida completed an initial count, an automatic recount and a statewide hand recount, in a general election with ten times as many ballots, in less time than it will take NYC to complete their initial count. Have you considered getting your own house in order?

[Agafin]

Exactly these incompetently run elections undermine trust and confidence and make it seem like Trump's BS of election fraud may be sort of true. New York state and the city are a disgrace when it comes to managing elections properly. Not want to sound lecturing here, but sometimes I think you guys just should get out and let us Europeans run your elections. We don't have the issues.

Pretty much this. I've read some people claim that it shouldn't matter how long votes take to be counted so long as the results are accurate but by that logic, even months or years of counting would be A-OK.

For me, the worst thing part about this process is the whole July 12 deadline for counting absentees. That is so ridiculous. Every measure should be taken so as to ensure that ballots (including absentees) are ready to be counted by election night or less than 48 hours later (with the possible exception of military/overseas ballots due to their very special circumstances).

[Oryxslayer]

Exactly these incompetently run elections undermine trust and confidence and make it seem like Trump's BS of election fraud may be sort of true. New York state and the city are a disgrace when it comes to managing elections properly. Not want to sound lecturing here, but sometimes I think you guys just should get out and let us Europeans run your elections. We don't have the issues.

Pretty much this. I've read some people claim that it shouldn't matter how long votes take to be counted so long as the results are accurate but by that logic, even months or years of counting would be A-OK.

For me, the worst thing part about this process is the whole July 12 deadline for counting absentees. That is so ridiculous. Every measure should be taken so as to ensure that ballots (including absentees) are ready to be counted by election night or less than 48 hours later (with the possible exception of military/overseas ballots due to their very special circumstances).

Yes. The ignoring incompetency, a lot of NY's issues stem from the fact that they cannot touch their absentee/mail votes because of an outdated law that Cuomo's allies refuse to change. We can perpetually argue over whether a ballot postmarked on E-Day should be accepted or not, but the fact that NY cannot count votes that had in their possession on election night is trash. Other states that due allow postmarks count their absentees on hand within 24 hours of election night, and this is the vast majority of overall absentees.

[emailking]

Yes they should be counting all along and quickly, so that when the deadlines for absentees to be received/cured have elapsed they can soon afterwards release complete results, and nothing before that.

[brucejoel99]

NYC BOE Statement: https://web.enrboenyc.us/rcv/

Updated Results: https://web.enrboenyc.us/rcv/024306_1.html

GARCIA ONLY DOWN 2.2% BEFORE ABSENTEES, LET'S GOOOOOO!!!

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

As brucejoel has already announced, the BOE just released the corrected tabulations.

Adams leads 51.1% to 48.9%. So the blunder didn't change the final results.

[brucejoel99]

As brucejoel has already announced, the BOE just released the corrected tabulations.

Adams leads 51.1% to 48.9%. So the blunder didn't change the final results.

And in the revised tabulations for the absentee-less penultimate round, Wiley misses out on the final round to Garcia by just 347 votes. Again, this could theoretically go either way thanks to the impending absentee count, but practically speaking, given where the absentees have actually been coming from, Garcia really is still the presumptive favorite here.

[new_patomic]

In practical terms versus what we thought were the results yesterday, this is 1,153 votes closer, though the margin is the same.

Garcia now needs to make up 14,755 votes instead of 15,908. Which feels like a very slight? win given the number of outstanding absentee votes remain the same.

[wbrocks67]

Yep, since things stand exactly where they did, and absentees seem to favor Garcia, she def seems to be the favorite here.

It turns out the Yang/Garcia alliance probably was the thing that put her over the edge, too.

[GeorgiaModerate]

What happens if the two lowest candidates after any round are tied?

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/BenJ_Rosenblatt/status/1410360153380118529?s=20

Arguably the bigger contests for ideological crusaders of various stripes, given that the mayoral race is more a factionalized parliamentary struggle.