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« Reply #125 on: December 09, 2020, 08:21:21 AM »

I don't think a Republican has a chance here

Giuliani and Trump severed the NYGOP brand here

Giuliani would be chased out of NYC these days

A Republican could win in the 2030s, maybe




Hence why Rose would lose

Rose is not a Republican. Why do you think Rose is a Republican, because he was in the military?

That Marxist user you are replying to is afraid of confident, masculine WWC men. Max Rose is a hero

CraneHusband is a Marxist? What the heck?
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« Reply #126 on: December 09, 2020, 10:32:08 AM »

I don't think a Republican has a chance here

Giuliani and Trump severed the NYGOP brand here

Giuliani would be chased out of NYC these days

A Republican could win in the 2030s, maybe




Hence why Rose would lose

Rose is not a Republican. Why do you think Rose is a Republican, because he was in the military?

That Marxist user you are replying to is afraid of confident, masculine WWC men. Max Rose is a hero

I don't think Rose would run anyway---he should seek a 2022 rematch and he could beat Malliotakis.

Rose's lane is the same lane Stringer has---white ethnic outerborough voters---those voters are moving out of NYC in droves---but they are still electorally relevant



He will beat Maliotakis. https://davesredistricting.org/join/ec3ff897-ed04-4630-bf4c-d075ad7839fa
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« Reply #127 on: December 09, 2020, 12:58:24 PM »

Apparently Christine Quinn actually is pondering a run, which is a massive LOL.

The consensus is is that the race should be a two man race between Adams and Stringer, but this could all change if Yang runs, or if Donovan, Rose, or McGuire gain traction.

I think the relevant candidates at this point are Donovan, Adams, McGuire, and Stringer. Rose and Yang jumping in would also change things. I think everyone else (maybe Menchaca becomes relevant) at this point is irrelevant.
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« Reply #128 on: December 09, 2020, 04:49:39 PM »

There are efforts to stop RCV from being implemented from parts of the Council and via lawsuit. If it is stopped from being implemented, that could make a big difference in how this primary plays out.
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« Reply #129 on: December 09, 2020, 07:26:05 PM »

There are efforts to stop RCV from being implemented from parts of the Council and via lawsuit. If it is stopped from being implemented, that could make a big difference in how this primary plays out.

I didn't know that...wow. Bad news for mid tier candidates trying to get a leg up.
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« Reply #130 on: December 09, 2020, 09:06:05 PM »

There are efforts to stop RCV from being implemented from parts of the Council and via lawsuit. If it is stopped from being implemented, that could make a big difference in how this primary plays out.

I didn't know that...wow. Bad news for mid tier candidates trying to get a leg up.
Yeah, I find it all absolutely ridiculous. The city voted on RCV and over 70% supported it (albeit on very low turnout)! Very anti-democratic impulse on the part of the Council opposition.
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« Reply #131 on: December 09, 2020, 09:08:47 PM »

There are efforts to stop RCV from being implemented from parts of the Council and via lawsuit. If it is stopped from being implemented, that could make a big difference in how this primary plays out.

I didn't know that...wow. Bad news for mid tier candidates trying to get a leg up.
Yeah, I find it all absolutely ridiculous. The city voted on RCV and over 70% supported it (albeit on very low turnout)! Very anti-democratic impulse on the part of the Council opposition.

Indeed.
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« Reply #132 on: December 10, 2020, 05:46:42 PM »

Max Rose is your 19th candidate to enter
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« Reply #133 on: December 10, 2020, 06:09:31 PM »

Let's update the chart shall we


Frontrunners
Scott Stringer, Eric Adams, Shaun Donovan
Competitors
Maya Wiley, Max Rose, Andrew Yang, Ray McGuire
Stragglers
Diane Morales, Loree Sutton, Carlos Menchaca, Kathryn Garcia, Christine Quinn
Bottom Feeders
Eddie Cullen, Aaron Foldenauer, Quanda Francis, Max Kaplan, Julia Qing Reaves, Joycelyn Taylor


As always, potential but undeclared candidates are italicized
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« Reply #134 on: December 11, 2020, 05:49:28 AM »

Let's update the chart shall we


Frontrunners
Scott Stringer, Eric Adams, Shaun Donovan
Competitors
Maya Wiley, Max Rose, Andrew Yang, Ray McGuire
Stragglers
Diane Morales, Loree Sutton, Carlos Menchaca, Kathryn Garcia, Christine Quinn
Bottom Feeders
Eddie Cullen, Aaron Foldenauer, Quanda Francis, Max Kaplan, Julia Qing Reaves, Joycelyn Taylor


As always, potential but undeclared candidates are italicized

Yang and Rose running would certainly make this race far more entertaining than it'd be without them.

I somehow (embarrassingly) missed completely the 2017 race, I'll pay more attention this time around.
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« Reply #135 on: December 11, 2020, 09:55:41 AM »

Let's update the chart shall we


Frontrunners
Scott Stringer, Eric Adams, Shaun Donovan
Competitors
Maya Wiley, Max Rose, Andrew Yang, Ray McGuire
Stragglers
Diane Morales, Loree Sutton, Carlos Menchaca, Kathryn Garcia, Christine Quinn
Bottom Feeders
Eddie Cullen, Aaron Foldenauer, Quanda Francis, Max Kaplan, Julia Qing Reaves, Joycelyn Taylor


As always, potential but undeclared candidates are italicized

Yang and Rose running would certainly make this race far more entertaining than it'd be without them.

I somehow (embarrassingly) missed completely the 2017 race, I'll pay more attention this time around.

The 2017 race was a total bore so I don’t blame you
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« Reply #136 on: December 11, 2020, 10:39:16 AM »

Let's update the chart shall we


Frontrunners
Scott Stringer, Eric Adams, Shaun Donovan
Competitors
Maya Wiley, Max Rose, Andrew Yang, Ray McGuire
Stragglers
Diane Morales, Loree Sutton, Carlos Menchaca, Kathryn Garcia, Christine Quinn
Bottom Feeders
Eddie Cullen, Aaron Foldenauer, Quanda Francis, Max Kaplan, Julia Qing Reaves, Joycelyn Taylor


As always, potential but undeclared candidates are italicized
Good chart. Largely agree but personally would move Donovan down one level and Yang up a level. Might move Rose down one level also.

Yang would have the celebrity factor and immediately be the center of press attention if he entered, especially since none of the other candidates has really established themselves yet. This could really help him (Trump 2015) or not (Weiner 2013, although Yang presumably won't have the same issues as Weiner lol). He's not my preferred choice at all, but would be a very interesting experiment if he did run.
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« Reply #137 on: December 11, 2020, 12:28:40 PM »

Al Sharpton should run, I like his style.

Sharpton is the only one who can stand up to craziness, etc.
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« Reply #138 on: December 13, 2020, 10:08:14 AM »

Rose in:

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« Reply #139 on: December 13, 2020, 01:20:46 PM »


Don't know why he's not gearing up for a post-redistricting House rematch in 2 years instead.
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« Reply #140 on: December 13, 2020, 01:33:47 PM »


Especially given that he has almost no chance of being elected Mayor.
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« Reply #141 on: December 13, 2020, 01:38:49 PM »


To be fair, not a guarantee he'd clear a primary with all the libs from Brooklyn that district is about to get.
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« Reply #142 on: December 13, 2020, 01:49:59 PM »
« Edited: April 28, 2021, 10:52:16 PM by brucejoel99 »


To be fair, not a guarantee he'd clear a primary with all the libs from Brooklyn that district is about to get.

Which is an even better argument for hitting the ground now & trying to further build something of a rapport with liberal groups & the like (at least enough of one to hypothetically get him a winning percentage in the primary), but what do I know? Maybe we're all wrong & Mayor Max Rose is about to rise from the ashes that are a contested NYC mayoral campaign Tongue
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« Reply #143 on: December 13, 2020, 09:39:21 PM »

Rose in:



Ughhhhh

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« Reply #144 on: December 14, 2020, 07:10:24 PM »

Here's my very rough breakdown of how things stand. Undeclared candidates are italicized. Potential dark horses have an asterisk.


Frontrunners
Scott Stringer, Eric Adams, Shaun Donovan
Competitors
Maya Wiley*, Raymond McGuire, Max Rose, Andrew Yang, Ray McGuire (NEW)
Stragglers
Diane Morales*, Loree Sutton, Carlos Menchaca*, Kathryn Garcia
Bottom Feeders
Eddie Cullen, Aaron Foldenauer, Quanda Francis, Max Kaplan, Julia Qing Reaves, Joycelyn Taylor


I think Menchaca would be nice and I hope he does well
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« Reply #145 on: December 14, 2020, 09:46:15 PM »

Menchaca is my councilman, and I think he'd be great, but I doubt he'll get far here. Assuming he doesn't surprise here, I think he would be a good fit for NY-7, either as a primary challenge or successor when Nydia Velazquez retires.
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« Reply #146 on: December 14, 2020, 10:04:44 PM »

Menchaca is my councilman, and I think he'd be great, but I doubt he'll get far here. Assuming he doesn't surprise here, I think he would be a good fit for NY-7, either as a primary challenge or successor when Nydia Velazquez retires.
I could see him potentially succeeding her but he won't challenge her in a primary - they're allies and have a good relationship.
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« Reply #147 on: December 14, 2020, 11:04:34 PM »

Menchaca is my councilman, and I think he'd be great, but I doubt he'll get far here. Assuming he doesn't surprise here, I think he would be a good fit for NY-7, either as a primary challenge or successor when Nydia Velazquez retires.
I could see him potentially succeeding her but he won't challenge her in a primary - they're allies and have a good relationship.

Oh gotcha, I didn't know about their relationship. In that case, yes, I hope that Menchaca will be her successor when she retires within the next decade or so.
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« Reply #148 on: December 16, 2020, 11:41:57 AM »

Jacobin gives their take on Andrew Yang
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However, the central proposal of Yang’s presidential campaign was actually a surprisingly right-wing variant of a Universal Basic Income. A 2019 Hill article noted that many longtime UBI advocates were actually against Yang’s “Freedom Dividend” plan, arguing that “Yang’s version could do more harm than good because some Americans would need to choose between accepting $1,000 a month and receiving certain public assistance benefits.” In other words, the “Freedom Dividend” plan was far from a redistribution of wealth. It was just a reshuffling of social programs — undermining existing entitlements like Medicare in order to provide $1,000 a month instead.

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Yang has done nothing to prove that he’s actually different than Bloomberg. In fact, he’s done quite the opposite: according to Politico, Yang is “in talks with Tusk Strategies, the consulting firm that worked on Mike Bloomberg’s 2009 mayoral campaign.” CEO Bradley Tusk was Bloomberg’s campaign manager, has been a political adviser for Uber, and is a former consultant for the Police Benevolent Association, the largest NYPD union. In a mayoral race where the debate about policing will undoubtedly loom large, it’s alarming that even before announcing, Yang is unabashedly teasing an association with a pro-cop power player...

I suppose this article makes him lose soft DSA-type support, leaving Yang with just the portfolio managers as a last possible option and the rich and “Dividend Receiving-aspiring” weed bro’s along with the Tech Bro’s as his base.

The question now would be if Yang manages to garner both soft left and conservative support to push him across the finish line over more established progressives. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #149 on: December 16, 2020, 12:27:02 PM »

The heart of Jacobin's #take on Andrew Yang is that he would make housing too cheap and available to too many people, which is apparently a bad thing. I was not sold on Yang as a serious candidate and I still think he'd get chewed up by city hall, but they make a persuasive case in his favor.
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