Ralph Nader just posted the lowest energy tweet of all time

[Progressive Pessimist]

I don't think it's unfair or irrational to balance an appreciation for Nader's consumer advocacy with disappointment that he got too ambitious for his own good by at least partially helping Gore lose in 2000 and usher in the disastrous Bush era.

[GP270watch]

I don't think it's unfair or irrational to balance an appreciation for Nader's consumer advocacy with disappointment that he got too ambitious for his own good by at least partially helping Gore lose in 2000 and usher in the disastrous Bush era.

 He was also hyping Trump or some other rich person running for President for many years with the bright idea that they couldn't be bought. Which really shows a lack of sound judgement.

[Kingpoleon]

I don't think it's unfair or irrational to balance an appreciation for Nader's consumer advocacy with disappointment that he got too ambitious for his own good by at least partially helping Gore lose in 2000 and usher in the disastrous Bush era.

Balancing fifty years of activism against hurting President Al Gore? How long will liberals be sore about the 2000 election?

[T'Chenka]

Nader is remembered very much as the guy that elected George W. Bush.  Liberals turned against him when his candidacy siphoned off votes in more than one state that could have gone to Al Gore.

This is kind of unfair.  Nader was never a Democratic hack; he considered Democrats as people who gave lip service to what he believed in while compromising to special interests.  And he hasn't been entirely wrong; the Democratic Party of today is where social liberalism meets Wall Street.

Woke Fuzzy.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Ralph Nader isn't responsible for GWB.

Joe Lieberman is. He doesn't get the hatred he deserves.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1294330818949722113?s=19

God the #resistance is so cringeworthy. No, Ralph Naders statement is not comparable to Yohos in anyway. Throwing the sexism card every time is just pathetic

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Ralph Nader isn't responsible for GWB.

Joe Lieberman is. He doesn't get the hatred he deserves.

I think people who feel the Democrats are entitled to the votes of Greens are the reason people vote Green to begin with.

[Continential]

Ralph Nader isn't responsible for GWB.

Joe Lieberman is. He doesn't get the hatred he deserves.

I think people who feel the Democrats are entitled to the votes of Greens are the reason people vote Green to begin with.

The reason why Bush was not because of Nader, but because many Buchanan voters intended to vote for Gore but the butterfly ballot messed it up, even Buchanan admits it, "When I took one look at that ballot on Election Night... it's very easy for me to see how someone could have voted for me in the belief they voted for Al Gore."

[Badger]

How is (rather embarrassingly) trying to wrangle AOC into speaking with his podcast or whatever “disrespectful?”

It was a cringe tweet by a has-been, but nothing near as rude or openly hostile as Yoho was.

I pretty much agree with you, but I think you've also answered your own question.

[SInNYC]

c'mon man, nader needs some feet pics too

In hindsight I’m surprised Nader hasn’t been #MeToo’d for flashing the interns or something like that.

Way back in the 60s, GM hired prostitutes to entrap him and get incriminating pictures. He was too good a man to fall for it, which is way more than I can say for most today who criticize everything about him.

 Not only that but it was a scandal and they had to apologize and people were outraged. Today FoxNews would question his sexuality, demonize him in every possible way, GM would have talking points ready for the entire Republican party and legislation would be dead on arrival.

 Congress is totally broken because of The Republican Party and it's stopping real progress in this country.

Although I agree with you, this kind of happened then too. After the failure of their prostitutes, they had tails to get evidence that Nader was gay among other things (as far as I know, he is not gay, though there were a few who tried to "smear" him after 2000). The tails actually followed him to capitol hill, but that failed too and GM eventually had to admit it.

[Horus]

I don't think it's unfair or irrational to balance an appreciation for Nader's consumer advocacy with disappointment that he got too ambitious for his own good by at least partially helping Gore lose in 2000 and usher in the disastrous Bush era.

Balancing fifty years of activism against hurting President Al Gore? How long will liberals be sore about the 2000 election?

One year for every dead Iraqi child.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Gore should have dropped out and endorsed Nader, but he selfishly decided to stay in the race and play the spoiler. If all the Gore voters had simply voted for Nader, he would've won the election and probably not started the Iraq War.

Nader was not and was never a Democrat. Unlike Joe Lieberman, who strongly advocated the Iraq War, left the party, and helped gut Obamacare to satisfy his corporate donors.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Ralph Nader isn't responsible for GWB.

Joe Lieberman is. He doesn't get the hatred he deserves.

I think people who feel the Democrats are entitled to the votes of Greens are the reason people vote Green to begin with.

Agreed. Putting the worst Democrat in America on your ticket and then getting mad at people for not voting for you is the height of entitlement.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Nader is remembered very much as the guy that elected George W. Bush.  Liberals turned against him when his candidacy siphoned off votes in more than one state that could have gone to Al Gore.

This is kind of unfair.  Nader was never a Democratic hack; he considered Democrats as people who gave lip service to what he believed in while compromising to special interests.  And he hasn't been entirely wrong; the Democratic Party of today is where social liberalism meets Wall Street.

Woke Fuzzy.

I'm old enough to remember when Unsafe At Any Speed came out.  I'm old enough to remember learning about Ralph Nader in My Weekly Reader in 6th grade.

Ralph Nader is a man that has brought about more corporate accountability than all of the elected officials combined.  He is to consumer protection what MLK was to Civil Rights.  He's not without flaws, and he's gone off on tangents, but Ralph Nader is a person who has made MY life better and YOUR life better.

If he hadn't run for President in 2000, siphoning votes from Gore, he'd be lionized today.

I personally believe that if we're going to jettison Columbus Day as a holiday, we should replace it with Ralph Nader Day, or Consumer Protection Day.  That is about the only reframing of a holiday I would consider supporting.  Ralph Nader's work made life better for all.  Few people in American History can say that.

[°Leprechaun]

IRV would fix the "spoiler" issue. More people should support that. It's an idea whose time has come.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I don't think it's unfair or irrational to balance an appreciation for Nader's consumer advocacy with disappointment that he got too ambitious for his own good by at least partially helping Gore lose in 2000 and usher in the disastrous Bush era.

It's not unfair or irrational, but in the long arc of history, Nader's good far outweighs this perceived negative, and by an utterly ridiculous margin.

Much of what you enjoy today in terms of Consumer Safety and Consumer Protection is due to the efforts of Ralph Nader.  Because the foundation for all of these protections was laid by Nader decades ago, we take this for granted.  That automobiles are safer today, that people walk away from crashes today that once would have produced multiple fatalities is due to Ralph Nader.  He was a man who stood alone and was willing to be considered a crank (and I was alive to see that).  

Is Nader an egomaniac?  Quite possibly, yes!  How strong an ego is required to do the positive things Ralph Nader has done in the political  environments he has done them in?

[Badger]

Gore should have dropped out and endorsed Nader, but he selfishly decided to stay in the race and play the spoiler. If all the Gore voters had simply voted for Nader, he would've won the election and probably not started the Iraq War.

Are people still repeating the stupid f****** Trope 20 years later?

[Badger]

Gore should have dropped out and endorsed Nader, but he selfishly decided to stay in the race and play the spoiler. If all the Gore voters had simply voted for Nader, he would've won the election and probably not started the Iraq War.

Nader was not and was never a Democrat. Unlike Joe Lieberman, who strongly advocated the Iraq War, left the party, and helped gut Obamacare to satisfy his corporate donors.

May I remind you that Lieberman left the Democratic party over these issues?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

do people really think most of the Nader voters would have even bothered to show up if he hadn't been on the ballot?

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Gore should have dropped out and endorsed Nader, but he selfishly decided to stay in the race and play the spoiler. If all the Gore voters had simply voted for Nader, he would've won the election and probably not started the Iraq War.

Nader was not and was never a Democrat. Unlike Joe Lieberman, who strongly advocated the Iraq War, left the party, and helped gut Obamacare to satisfy his corporate donors.

May I remind you that Lieberman left the Democratic party over these issues?

Exactly. But he was a Democrat at one point, which makes his decisions much more unforgivable than Nader's.

[Badger]

do people really think most of the Nader voters would have even bothered to show up if he hadn't been on the ballot?

More than enough to Win Florida and the election (and possibly NH too fwiw).

[Fuzzy Bear]

Gore should have dropped out and endorsed Nader, but he selfishly decided to stay in the race and play the spoiler. If all the Gore voters had simply voted for Nader, he would've won the election and probably not started the Iraq War.

Lieberman didn't leave the Democratic Party; he's still a Democrat.  He's voting for Biden this year, and he voted for Hillary.

Lieberman was primaried, lost, and prevailed as an Independent (while running with a good deal of Republican support).  Lieberman's support of the Iraq War was unfortunate, but that was not a reason to primary him, and he would have been on the team in 2008 if he had not been primaried.  Lieberman was hardly a DINO, given the totality of his record.

Nader was not and was never a Democrat. Unlike Joe Lieberman, who strongly advocated the Iraq War, left the party, and helped gut Obamacare to satisfy his corporate donors.

May I remind you that Lieberman left the Democratic party over these issues?

Exactly. But he was a Democrat at one point, which makes his decisions much more unforgivable than Nader's.

[HillGoose]

thank u for President Bush mr. Nader.

a true American hero

[Sir Mohamed]

I had no idea the dude was still alive, lol.

[DINGO Joe]

do people really think most of the Nader voters would have even bothered to show up if he hadn't been on the ballot?

More than enough to Win Florida and the election (and possibly NH too fwiw).

Well, even with Nader, if farsighted Jews could have read the Broward ballot Gore would have won.