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« on: August 13, 2020, 12:00:04 PM »



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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2020, 12:16:02 PM »

We all knew that Israel wasn't going to annex soon, this is Netanyahu's excuse.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2020, 02:00:32 PM »

Great news. Israel has been moving towards normalizing relations with the Sunni Arab states for years now, long before Trump.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2020, 02:04:08 PM »

We all knew that Israel wasn't going to annex soon, this is Netanyahu's excuse.

Maybe, but just by threatening annexation, Israel is now effectively being rewarded just for maintaining the status quo. I can easily see the occupation lasting for another half a century.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2020, 03:37:02 PM »

The Gulf states, in viewing Iran as a far bigger enemy, are finally putting aside their differences and aligning together with Israel. It’s just a matter of time before the remainder do so as well among Arab monarchies.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2020, 03:39:50 PM »

Cool a fourth thread about this!
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2020, 03:53:13 PM »

Bibi still going to bat for Trump...

While not as significant as Carter and Clinton's peace deals, it is finally a substantive foreign policy achievement that Trump can point to.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2020, 03:59:11 PM »

Bibi still going to bat for Trump...

While not as significant as Carter and Clinton's peace deals, it is finally a substantive foreign policy achievement that Trump can point to.

The normalization has been going on longer than three years.
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2020, 05:26:55 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2020, 12:10:00 AM »

yes, we all know the Gulf monarchies don't care about the Palestinians
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2020, 02:34:54 AM »
« Edited: August 14, 2020, 06:26:39 AM by Coldstream »

This has got to be crushing for Palestinian morale, that despite making no real concessions at all the UAE and likely Oman & Bahrain are normalising ties with Israel. The unified Arab anti-Israel front is clearly gone forever.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2020, 02:49:29 AM »

yes, we all know the Gulf monarchies don't care about the Palestinians

And neither do Iran, Turkey or any of the others who profess to care. the Palestinian people's greatest card was always to pressure regular people, who will in turn pressure their leaders. This is slipping now, clearly, so I really hope they see the writing on the wall and turn to serious negotiations and a willingness to make real compromise, and that they find a partner on our side.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2020, 07:34:32 AM »

This has got to be crushing for Palestinian morale, that despite making no real concessions at all the UAE and likely Oman & Bahrain are normalising ties with Israel. The unified Arab anti-Israel front is clearly gone forever.

Of course, this latest news just formally confirms a reality that has been the case for a while now.
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2020, 08:09:17 AM »

This has got to be crushing for Palestinian morale, that despite making no real concessions at all the UAE and likely Oman & Bahrain are normalising ties with Israel. The unified Arab anti-Israel front is clearly gone forever.

Of course, this latest news just formally confirms a reality that has been the case for a while now.

But the fact that the UAE feel confident enough to do it openly (ie they don’t fear a large backlash from their own citizens or other Arab states) demonstrates how precarious - almost hopeless- the Palestinians position is.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2020, 09:13:47 AM »

This has got to be crushing for Palestinian morale, that despite making no real concessions at all the UAE and likely Oman & Bahrain are normalising ties with Israel. The unified Arab anti-Israel front is clearly gone forever.

Of course, this latest news just formally confirms a reality that has been the case for a while now.

But the fact that the UAE feel confident enough to do it openly (ie they don’t fear a large backlash from their own citizens or other Arab states) demonstrates how precarious - almost hopeless- the Palestinians position is.

Though that's only partly due to a lack of popular interest in Palestine as an issue. The other part is that the successful repression of the Arab Spring in the Gulf and US disinterest in pretending to care about democracy means that they have less reason to fear antagonising their population.
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2020, 09:21:49 AM »

This is good news.  Much of the Middle East has been held back developmentally by hating Jews for more than half a century.
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2020, 09:31:10 AM »

Er, I'm not really sure you could apply that logic to the UAE of all places though
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2020, 09:37:49 AM »

I'm surprised by this from my country of origin. For sure this is a step in the right direction. The entire Arab world should be more open in relations with Israel, though the Israeli govt seriously needs to take steps to ease tensions as well. I won't give up we can once have normal relations where differences are being dicussed at the table rather than elsewhere.
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2020, 01:00:54 AM »
« Edited: August 15, 2020, 01:05:07 AM by Velasco »

The Gulf states, in viewing Iran as a far bigger enemy, are finally putting aside their differences and aligning together with Israel. It’s just a matter of time before the remainder do so as well among Arab monarchies.

Feudal monarchies allying with the apartheid state against a theocracy, sidelining a stateless people stabbed in the back and used as a pretext once again. That's the Middle East, you know
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2020, 04:32:06 AM »

The Gulf states, in viewing Iran as a far bigger enemy, are finally putting aside their differences and aligning together with Israel. It’s just a matter of time before the remainder do so as well among Arab monarchies.

Feudal monarchies allying with the apartheid state against a theocracy, sidelining a stateless people stabbed in the back and used as a pretext once again. That's the Middle East, you know

I don't think you can fairly describe the Gulf States as feudal, given that land has so little value there. They're petrodespotisms.
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2020, 05:15:55 AM »
« Edited: August 15, 2020, 05:49:52 AM by Velasco »

The Gulf states, in viewing Iran as a far bigger enemy, are finally putting aside their differences and aligning together with Israel. It’s just a matter of time before the remainder do so as well among Arab monarchies.

Feudal monarchies allying with the apartheid state against a theocracy, sidelining a stateless people stabbed in the back and used as a pretext once again. That's the Middle East, you know

I don't think you can fairly describe the Gulf States as feudal, given that land has so little value there. They're petrodespotisms.

The lands containing oil fields are very valuable, much more than the agricultural lands of the Jordan Valley where settlers employ cheap Palestinian labourers in a relation that resembles the South Africa's apartheid. I'd say Saudi Arabia is a medieval country in many respects, but you can call that monarchy as you wish. Israel has annexed the Palestinian lands already. The "Abraham Accord" is pure hypocrisy
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2020, 06:00:13 AM »

The Gulf states, in viewing Iran as a far bigger enemy, are finally putting aside their differences and aligning together with Israel. It’s just a matter of time before the remainder do so as well among Arab monarchies.

Feudal monarchies allying with the apartheid state against a theocracy, sidelining a stateless people stabbed in the back and used as a pretext once again. That's the Middle East, you know

I don't think you can fairly describe the Gulf States as feudal, given that land has so little value there. They're petrodespotisms.

Which of course leaves what happens when the oil finally runs out, very much an open question.
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2020, 02:36:35 AM »

The Gulf states, in viewing Iran as a far bigger enemy, are finally putting aside their differences and aligning together with Israel. It’s just a matter of time before the remainder do so as well among Arab monarchies.

It’s not merely about opposing Iran, but opposing political Islam in general - not merely jihadist groups, but also the Muslim Brotherhood and completely peaceful and moderate grassroots political and social movements. The Emirates in particular has been at the forefront of the anti-Sunni Islamism (and anti-Arab Spring) campaign going on a full decade now.

The last thing these absolute monarchies want is an organized grassroots movement of local self-determination gaining any power or influence in the Arab world- whether it be Shia Islamist, Sunni Islamist, or neither. Openly cooperating with Israel against the Palestinians is entirely in accord with that policy.
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2020, 07:36:24 AM »

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2020, 07:58:48 AM »

The Gulf states, in viewing Iran as a far bigger enemy, are finally putting aside their differences and aligning together with Israel. It’s just a matter of time before the remainder do so as well among Arab monarchies.

Feudal monarchies allying with the apartheid state against a theocracy, sidelining a stateless people stabbed in the back and used as a pretext once again. That's the Middle East, you know

I don't think you can fairly describe the Gulf States as feudal, given that land has so little value there. They're petrodespotisms.

The lands containing oil fields are very valuable, much more than the agricultural lands of the Jordan Valley where settlers employ cheap Palestinian labourers in a relation that resembles the South Africa's apartheid. I'd say Saudi Arabia is a medieval country in many respects, but you can call that monarchy as you wish. Israel has annexed the Palestinian lands already. The "Abraham Accord" is pure hypocrisy

https://www.dw.com/en/strawberry-pickers-plight-exposes-modern-slavery-in-spain/a-54239756

Don't come onto my threads to project how your own country treats Arab laborers. Lying trash.

So coming from a country with human rights issues removes your right to criticise similar human rights issues abroad? Sorry, no, that's a logical fallacy, and in any case, I am surprised to see a yellow avatar attacking someone's right to free speech like this.

I've also see Velasco make dozens of posts criticising the treatment of migrant labourers on Spanish farms - so your not even calling out hypocrisy there.

By all means, defend Israel if you want, I'm not overly wild about the way either side behave. But at least do it with a smidgeon of intellectual honesty.
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