Biden picks Harris as running mate

[G_Master]

I’m looking forward to the debates, where Harris can blow Mike Pence over like the stiff board that he is.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Personally, i'm okay with the pick of Kamala Harris. It doesn't make me more likely to support Biden or less likely. It was the expected pick. Harris has pro's and cons, and she is now the front-runner candidate for the 2024 or 2028 elections. I'm just afraid they're not going to be left-wing enough on economic issues, and i doubt they are in favour of legalization of marijuana, two important issues to me, which would make a reluctant support an enthusiastic support. But it is what it is. Right now i'm not enthusiastic about it, but at least it's a far better option than the Republican ticket and even worse cabinet.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

She's going to be president of the United States one day.

Anyways I'm considering write-ins, open to suggestions

Don't move to South Carolina. We don't do write-in votes for Presidential electors.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

After fanfare is gone, we are still gonna have the status quo, no new talk on stimulus

[Landslide Lyndon]

I think it's worth noting that every Democratic VP nominee since 1988 (Bentsen, Gore, Lieberman, Edwards, Biden, Kaine, Harris) has been a senator.

Every Democratic VP nominee since 1946 has been a sitting senator with the exception of 1984 and Geraldine Ferraro.

[wbrocks67]

So far this hasn’t gone over well with my LGBT friends. Still dislike Trump but probably not as excited as they would have been.

do they... not know Harris's record on LGBTQ issues?

[wbrocks67]

Objectively, I'm actually really pleasantly surprised at the reaction. A LOT of excitement, especially about how it's historic. I have friends on social networks who usually aren't into politics that much posting about it, which is cool.

There's of course still the Republicans and Rose Twitter-types ("Kamala is a COPPPPPP") but those were all expected. Other than those, the reaction has been really good I think.

It's also funny to me that "progressives" are so tone deaf to vilify the first black woman VP prospect. Yet they want to keep claiming they are so "woke". Okay.

(and by this I mean you don't need to like Kamala but you can still say that it's historic, but they are.... not doing that)

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

So far this hasn’t gone over well with my LGBT friends. Still dislike Trump but probably not as excited as they would have been.

do they... not know Harris's record on LGBTQ issues?

https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/1/22/kamala-harris-takes-responsibility-opposing-trans-surgeries

https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/2/04/kamala-harris-lgbtq-trans-prison

[wbrocks67]

So far this hasn’t gone over well with my LGBT friends. Still dislike Trump but probably not as excited as they would have been.

do they... not know Harris's record on LGBTQ issues?

https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/1/22/kamala-harris-takes-responsibility-opposing-trans-surgeries

https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/2/04/kamala-harris-lgbtq-trans-prison

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-marriage-resumes-20130628-story.html

[StateBoiler]

There's some funny posts and memes being put up by a small-l libertarian's podcast network I follow. Not a fan. In short, in this time of pushing police reform and aiming to end qualified immunity, Harris is very much anti-all those based on her time in California. If Republicans nominated a person that had Harris's record from California, I expect Democrats would be jumping all over it saying what a tone-deaf pick in these times. But this is politics, of course everyone's a hypocrite.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=27300743&ref=content_filter

One meme has on top "Defund the police". Underneath it it says "Make the Police VP".

Ben Shapiro: "Joe Biden just picked the woman who called him a racist who hung out with segregationists, and who said she believed his sexual harassment accusers."

Why did she accept?

[StateBoiler]

She's going to be president of the United States one day.

Anyways I'm considering write-ins, open to suggestions

Your other candidates in California look like they will be:

Jo Jorgensen for the Libertarians
Howie Hawkins for the Greens
Gloria La Riva for the Party for Socialism & Liberation using the Peace & Freedom ballot line
Rocky De La Fuente of the Alliance Party using the American Independent ballot line

[StateBoiler]

Personally, i'm okay with the pick of Kamala Harris. It doesn't make me more likely to support Biden or less likely. It was the expected pick. Harris has pro's and cons, and she is now the front-runner candidate for the 2024 or 2028 elections. I'm just afraid they're not going to be left-wing enough on economic issues, and i doubt they are in favour of legalization of marijuana, two important issues to me, which would make a reluctant support an enthusiastic support. But it is what it is. Right now i'm not enthusiastic about it, but at least it's a far better option than the Republican ticket and even worse cabinet.

Are you a U.S. citizen with a vote? If not, your "support" is irrelevant. You have no say in our elections for the same reason I have no say in Belgian elections.

[Amanda Huggenkiss]

Personally, i'm okay with the pick of Kamala Harris. It doesn't make me more likely to support Biden or less likely. It was the expected pick. Harris has pro's and cons, and she is now the front-runner candidate for the 2024 or 2028 elections. I'm just afraid they're not going to be left-wing enough on economic issues, and i doubt they are in favour of legalization of marijuana, two important issues to me, which would make a reluctant support an enthusiastic support. But it is what it is. Right now i'm not enthusiastic about it, but at least it's a far better option than the Republican ticket and even worse cabinet.

Are you a U.S. citizen with a vote? If not, your "support" is irrelevant. You have no say in our elections for the same reason I have no say in Belgian elections.

We non-US-posters are aware, thank you. We are still allowed to have opinions on US politics, to voice them on this forum, and to - god forbid - have a preference in US-election.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Personally, i'm okay with the pick of Kamala Harris. It doesn't make me more likely to support Biden or less likely. It was the expected pick. Harris has pro's and cons, and she is now the front-runner candidate for the 2024 or 2028 elections. I'm just afraid they're not going to be left-wing enough on economic issues, and i doubt they are in favour of legalization of marijuana, two important issues to me, which would make a reluctant support an enthusiastic support. But it is what it is. Right now i'm not enthusiastic about it, but at least it's a far better option than the Republican ticket and even worse cabinet.

Are you a U.S. citizen with a vote? If not, your "support" is irrelevant. You have no say in our elections for the same reason I have no say in Belgian elections.

I don't have a vote, but my support is relevant to whoever wants to hear a second opinion or want to hear my thoughts on my election. Maybe in the end it helps no-one, but i'm entitled to my own opinion.

[Helsinkian]

Personally, i'm okay with the pick of Kamala Harris. It doesn't make me more likely to support Biden or less likely. It was the expected pick. Harris has pro's and cons, and she is now the front-runner candidate for the 2024 or 2028 elections. I'm just afraid they're not going to be left-wing enough on economic issues, and i doubt they are in favour of legalization of marijuana, two important issues to me, which would make a reluctant support an enthusiastic support. But it is what it is. Right now i'm not enthusiastic about it, but at least it's a far better option than the Republican ticket and even worse cabinet.

Are you a U.S. citizen with a vote? If not, your "support" is irrelevant. You have no say in our elections for the same reason I have no say in Belgian elections.

I looked at your user statistics. It looks like you've written 103 posts to the "International Elections" subforum. Care to explain?

[Intell]

Ewwwwww, gonna vote for Biden anyway but my mum (a Sanders 2016-Biden 2020 voter) is planning to sit out this election because of this pick due to her dislike of Kamala from the time she was AG of California.  In saying my mum despised Hillary in 2016 (but voted for her in 2008) and ended up voting for her so in the end she will probably pull the lever for this ticket.

[StateBoiler]

Personally, i'm okay with the pick of Kamala Harris. It doesn't make me more likely to support Biden or less likely. It was the expected pick. Harris has pro's and cons, and she is now the front-runner candidate for the 2024 or 2028 elections. I'm just afraid they're not going to be left-wing enough on economic issues, and i doubt they are in favour of legalization of marijuana, two important issues to me, which would make a reluctant support an enthusiastic support. But it is what it is. Right now i'm not enthusiastic about it, but at least it's a far better option than the Republican ticket and even worse cabinet.

Are you a U.S. citizen with a vote? If not, your "support" is irrelevant. You have no say in our elections for the same reason I have no say in Belgian elections.

We non-US-posters are aware, thank you. We are still allowed to have opinions on US politics, to voice them on this forum, and to - god forbid - have a preference in US-election.

I would not have voted because I'm not a citizen or Canada or Quebec, therefore I should have no say in their internal electoral matters.

1824 U.S. presidential election

er... and I'm not an Italian citizen, half the people here aren't American citizens... are you sure you know how this works?

I know how it works and I realize the thread's a gimmick. This is a philosophical principle of mine that I wish more people lived up to. I can comment on foreign elections but I have no right to say who I think should win in New Zealand elections later this year because I'm not a New Zealander. I think the reverse should be true as well.

[StateBoiler]

Personally, i'm okay with the pick of Kamala Harris. It doesn't make me more likely to support Biden or less likely. It was the expected pick. Harris has pro's and cons, and she is now the front-runner candidate for the 2024 or 2028 elections. I'm just afraid they're not going to be left-wing enough on economic issues, and i doubt they are in favour of legalization of marijuana, two important issues to me, which would make a reluctant support an enthusiastic support. But it is what it is. Right now i'm not enthusiastic about it, but at least it's a far better option than the Republican ticket and even worse cabinet.

Are you a U.S. citizen with a vote? If not, your "support" is irrelevant. You have no say in our elections for the same reason I have no say in Belgian elections.

I looked at your user statistics. It looks like you've written 103 posts to the "International Elections" subforum. Care to explain?

I can comment on international elections without showing preference or support for one candidate or another. Now I took a long break from this forum and you may find a post from years ago where I did this, but I've matured as an adult and now believe it is wrong. I've commented on British elections, but I have no right to be like say Vladimir Putin in 2016 or other people on this forum, and say "I'm supporting this guy" to interfere in the election via soft persuasion tactics. You cannot on one hand say the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians anonymously posting on the internet to influence the election is wrong as American counterintelligence agents just stated, and yet a German or Belgian or Finn doing likewise posting anonymously is okay, simply because there is no way for anyone to credibly assign your identity as opposed to you are a Russian or Chinese or Iranian agent attempting to influence Americans' choice for who should be their leader, just as I as an elected American politician have no right to influence Germans, Belgians, or Finns' choices on who should be their democratically elected leaders.

This is a philosophical principle of mine, I'm willing to debate it on here for months, so have at it.

[Amanda Huggenkiss]

Personally, i'm okay with the pick of Kamala Harris. It doesn't make me more likely to support Biden or less likely. It was the expected pick. Harris has pro's and cons, and she is now the front-runner candidate for the 2024 or 2028 elections. I'm just afraid they're not going to be left-wing enough on economic issues, and i doubt they are in favour of legalization of marijuana, two important issues to me, which would make a reluctant support an enthusiastic support. But it is what it is. Right now i'm not enthusiastic about it, but at least it's a far better option than the Republican ticket and even worse cabinet.

Are you a U.S. citizen with a vote? If not, your "support" is irrelevant. You have no say in our elections for the same reason I have no say in Belgian elections.

I looked at your user statistics. It looks like you've written 103 posts to the "International Elections" subforum. Care to explain?

I can comment on international elections without showing preference or support for one candidate or another. Now I took a long break from this forum and you may find a post from years ago where I did this, but I've matured as an adult and now believe it is wrong. I've commented on British elections, but I have no right to be like say Vladimir Putin in 2016 or other people on this forum, and say "I'm supporting this guy" to interfere in the election via soft persuasion tactics. You cannot on one hand say the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians anonymously posting on the internet to influence the election is wrong as American counterintelligence agents just stated, and yet a German or Belgian or Finn doing likewise posting anonymously is okay, simply because there is no way for anyone to credibly assign your identity as opposed to you are a Russian or Chinese or Iranian agent attempting to influence Americans' choice for who should be their leader, just as I as an elected American politician have no right to influence Germans, Belgians, or Finns' choices on who should be their democratically elected leaders.

This is a philosophical principle of mine, I'm willing to debate it on here for months, so have at it.

This is not the point of the thread, but comparing non-US-posters stating their endorsements with foreign interference is ridiculous. We're not infiltrating. We're not fabricating false information. We are not hacking servers of the DNC. We're non an organized effort. We're not systematically trying to sway masses of voters towards a candidate. We're not targeting low-informed voters. "Soft persuasion tactics"? We're sharing hopefully reasoned opinions to opinionated politics-nerds. Keep your principle if you want to, but don't try to shame other posters.

[Helsinkian]

As long as the American President claims the title "Leader of the Free World", people in other countries get to have an opinion on that person, especially in the other countries of the "Free World" that USA claims to "lead".

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I don't see the bros lining up to to vote for Biden because of this horrible pick.

[Middle-aged Europe]

As a German citizen (not eligible to vote in U.S. elections) I hereby endorse Joe Biden for President.

This statement was not paid or organized by any foreign or domestic intelligence agency and/or private corporation.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Underrated upside of this: Harris is going to raise tens of millions a month for Biden, a lot of which he wouldn't be getting with a Warren or a Whitmer. He's going to blow Trump out of the water every month until November.

True, her fundraising potential must have been a major selling point.  But it's a two-edged sword, and Trump will fundraise off of this pick as well.   And Harris will bring some social conservatives who have been dissatisfied with Trump's performance over the crises of the past few months back into the fold.

[StateBoiler]

Per Richard Winger at Ballot Access News:

Kamala Harris, the 2020 Democratic Party vice-presidential nominee, is the first resident of a western state to be on the Democratic Party national ticket in history. This is statistically odd, because the United States has had western states in the union since 1850.

By “west”, I mean Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.

[StateBoiler]

As long as the American President claims the title "Leader of the Free World", people in other countries get to have an opinion on that person, especially in the other countries of the "Free World" that USA claims to "lead".

You can have an opinion on the person. You don't have a right to have an opinion on who the person should be.