SENATE DEBATE: Ecologic Transition Act (Passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What is next here?

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

Ecologic Transition Act

To encourage the transition of the Atlasian economy towards a decarbonized future by discouraging the use of fossil fuels[/s]

1. After the passage of this bill, the federal government of the Republic of Atlasia may not subsidize the extraction, usage or sale of any hydrocarbon based fuels, nor of coal. All currently existing federal subsidies on hydrocarbon fuels and coal shall be phased out.

2. After the year 2035, all federally owned vehicles used for the transportation of government officials shall be electric vehicles, or otherwise vehicles not based off fossil fuels.

3. 2. 3 years after the passage of this bill, all suppliers of fossil fuels that, combining all their gas stations, have a supplied volume of at least 5 million litres of petrol and diesel combined; shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC in all of their gas station locations, except for gas stations located in any location that meets any of the following —
    Census County Subdivisions with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Designated Places with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Tracts with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents.

4. 1 year after the passage of this bill, all newly built gas stations in the Republic of Atlasia shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC, except for newly built gas stations located in any location that meets any of the following —
    Census County Subdivisions with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Designated Places with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Tracts with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents.

I propose this amendment since I don't believe this portion would really do anything to improve the situation. Electric vehicles seem overrated to mandate because they're built as lower quality and are more prone to breaking down making them more expensive to fix. It also wouldn't do much for total emissions in the grand scheme of things since using electricity would mean that whatever power source is used at a generating plant is de facto used to power the cars.

I can definitely see that some progress is made in the coming decades in making electric vehicles function more efficiently to the point that the rest of society is using them, but it doesn't seem prudent to enforce a mandate.

[Former President tack50]

Tbh I am starting to have 2nd thoughts and might just nuke the bill to only point 1, making it a much simpler affair.

[Mike Thick]

Tbh I am starting to have 2nd thoughts and might just nuke the bill to only point 1, making it a much simpler affair.

Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with this. Same for LT's amendment, except that he forgot to renumber #4

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Tbh I am starting to have 2nd thoughts and might just nuke the bill to only point 1, making it a much simpler affair.

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Oh for the love of crap! I am beginning to think you are doing this on purpose.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When someone fails to give feedback, the default is to treat it as hostile.

A vote is now open on the amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

Aye

[Esteemed Jimmy]

Aye

[Devout Centrist]

Nay

[Former President tack50]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am actually not against the federal gov't deciding what vehicles it will use, provided of course that the costs are taken into consideration in some way.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment S26:01 by LT:

Aye (2): Jimmy and LT
Nay (2): Devout Centrist and Tack50
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): NC Yankee and TedBessell

[Dr. MB]

Tie breaking vote:

Aye

I sympathize with the point but I agree with LouisvilleThunder. I'd rather revisit this when electric vehicles are more capable. They're still in pretty early stages and not too popular.

Amendment passes 3-2.

[Former President tack50]

Introducing the following amendment, as I promised. This will also rename the bill.

No subsidies for Fossil Fuels Act

To encourage the transition of the Atlasian economy towards a decarbonized future by discouraging the use of fossil fuels[/s]

1. After the passage of this bill, the federal government of the Republic of Atlasia may not subsidize the extraction, usage or sale of any hydrocarbon based fuels, nor of coal. All currently existing federal subsidies on hydrocarbon fuels and coal shall be phased out.

2. 3 years after the passage of this bill, all suppliers of fossil fuels that, combining all their gas stations, have a supplied volume of at least 5 million litres of petrol and diesel combined; shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC in all of their gas station locations, except for gas stations located in any location that meets any of the following —
    Census County Subdivisions with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Designated Places with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Tracts with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents.

4. 1 year after the passage of this bill, all newly built gas stations in the Republic of Atlasia shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC, except for newly built gas stations located in any location that meets any of the following —
    Census County Subdivisions with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Designated Places with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Tracts with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Previous amendment is adopted with the tie breaking vote.

No subsidies for Fossil Fuels Act

To encourage the transition of the Atlasian economy towards a decarbonized future by discouraging the use of fossil fuels[/s]

Be it resolved in both houses of congress assembled,

1. After the passage of this bill, the federal government of the Republic of Atlasia may not subsidize the extraction, usage or sale of any hydrocarbon based fuels, nor of coal. All currently existing federal subsidies on hydrocarbon fuels and coal shall be phased out.

2. 3 years after the passage of this bill, all suppliers of fossil fuels that, combining all their gas stations, have a supplied volume of at least 5 million litres of petrol and diesel combined; shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC in all of their gas station locations, except for gas stations located in any location that meets any of the following —
    Census County Subdivisions with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Designated Places with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Tracts with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents.

4. 1 year after the passage of this bill, all newly built gas stations in the Republic of Atlasia shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC, except for newly built gas stations located in any location that meets any of the following —
    Census County Subdivisions with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Designated Places with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Tracts with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents.

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Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Problem solved!

[Former President tack50]

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What happened with formatting? Seemed good to me?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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What happened with formatting? Seemed good to me?

Compare your amendment as offered, to the OP text. That is the problem.

Also I just have been itching to drop a dated Adventure Time reference for weeks and after the whole computer error code meme, this thread was the perfect opportunity.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment is adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So final vote time?

[Esteemed Jimmy]

I motion for a final vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A final vote is now open on this legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Former President tack50]

Aye

[Mike Thick]

Aye