Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[WD]

https://mobile.twitter.com/chucklindell/status/1322969722875502593?s=21

[Figueira]

https://mobile.twitter.com/chucklindell/status/1322969722875502593?s=21

I thought they already denied it, and it was being appealed?

[riceowl]

Federal court ruling is tomorrow.

[Ferguson97]

Federal court ruling is tomorrow.

Which court?

[oraclebones]

Let's pray for a Biden quick and easy victory in North Carolina (and ideally Florida and Georgia) to prevent this situation.

Have you heard about police pepper-spraying a GOTV march in NC? Biden won't win NC if the police can stop it!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/us/north-carolina-police-pepper-spray-polls/index.html

[Hammy]

Federal court ruling is tomorrow.

Which court?

Appeals court I think.

[Anti-Bothsidesism]

Let's pray for a Biden quick and easy victory in North Carolina (and ideally Florida and Georgia) to prevent this situation.

It won't be enough

[EJ24]

In a document filed in US District Court Sunday, USPS said that on a national level, they moved fewer ballots on time on Saturday than on Friday and their processing score dropping from 93% to 91%. Scores have been steadily declining since Wednesday, when USPS reported they moved 97% of ballots on time.
More critical battlegrounds states are now experiencing a drop in scores -- below 90% -- and those already below that, did not improve substantially and some dropped even lower.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/01/politics/usps-mail-in-ballots-2020-election/index.html

[Bootes Void]

This might be the only way for Trump to win at this point, by cheating. Hopefully theessage came clear in the final weeks to vote in person instead of mailing it in because of the delays

[Hammy]

All by design. I said back when the USPS "reversed" their decision that it was all just show and that the uproar realistically changed nothing.

[BudgieForce]

Hopefully theres not a large quantity of ballots left to be processed through the post office.

[Hammy]

Hopefully theres not a large quantity of ballots left to be processed through the post office.

I checked some states mail vote statistics:

PA has 121k more outstanding D ballots than R ballots with a total return rate of 78%
MI is at 80% returned (no party breakdown )
WI is at 87% returned (no party breakdown)

Anybody want to take a stab at whether or not this is going to be enough to flip the states?

[BudgieForce]

Hopefully theres not a large quantity of ballots left to be processed through the post office.

I checked some states mail vote statistics:

PA has 121k more outstanding D ballots than R ballots
MI is at 80% returned (no party breakdown )
WI is at 87% returned (no party breakdown)

Anybody want to take a stab at whether or not this is going to be enough to flip the states?

Your assuming those outstanding ballots were ever mailed back. For example, my sister got a mail in ballot but voted in person.

[Hammy]

Hopefully theres not a large quantity of ballots left to be processed through the post office.

I checked some states mail vote statistics:

PA has 121k more outstanding D ballots than R ballots
MI is at 80% returned (no party breakdown )
WI is at 87% returned (no party breakdown)

Anybody want to take a stab at whether or not this is going to be enough to flip the states?

Your assuming those outstanding ballots were ever mailed back. For example, my sister got a mail in ballot but voted in person.

The part that raises questions in those swing states in particular is the total vote vs 2016 is still fairly low as well--63% in WI, 53% in MI, and 39% in PA. Compare with 95% in NC, 94% in GA, 91% in FL and 108% in TX--states that seem more likely to have had those voters vote in person.

Not to say those three states are at high risk of flipping as a result but I'm trying to get as much a read on the situation beforehand as possible.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

This might be the only way for Trump to win at this point, by cheating. Hopefully theessage came clear in the final weeks to vote in person instead of mailing it in because of the delays

The Post Office has been recommending for months that people mail their ballots in at least a week ahead of time.  If someone has done that, a delay of a day or two shouldn't be an issue.

[SLA8]

^Analogously, people are recommended to not wait until the last minute to get at their poll station to vote, so people should be prepared for poll stations to close 20 minutes earlier than is announced. That's the kind of argument you're making.


 Voters shouldn't bear the cost of extrinsic hindrances. By extrinsic I mean ones that are related to governmental institutions, not things like rain/traffic, or whatnot.

[SLA8]

Or imagine you dropped your ballot in on time and because of some 5-minute lapse glitch it wasn't processed until after closing hours. Should your vote be invalidated because you waited till the last minute to vote? No.

I'm cooking up crazy scenarios, but the bottom line is this a question of deontology and principle, and to tell people you should have voted earlier is the type of paternalism I thought conservatives were against (admittedly).

If there's a deadline it has to mean something. If Board of Elections decide that mail delays hinder the electoral process and that we need all votes in by election day (which doesn't seem like a well-intentioned, honest request) then create a deadline for mail-in-voting that's different altogether. At the end of the day, this isn't about how long the votes are taking to get in, it's about targeting a specific subset of voters.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

^Analogously, people are recommended to not wait until the last minute to get at their poll station to vote, so people should be prepared for poll stations to close 20 minutes earlier than is announced. That's the kind of argument you're making.


 Voters shouldn't bear the cost of extrinsic hindrances. By extrinsic I mean ones that are related to governmental institutions, not things like rain/traffic, or whatnot.

But the postal service does have to deal with things like rain and traffic.  And that's why they have done everything they can to advise states to send out ballots early and people to mail them back early.  If someone forgets and waits until a few days out, and decides they don't want to risk it not getting through the mail in time, then they should be able vote in person or put the ballot in a voting drop box.  If they wait until the day before and mail it anyway and the ballot is delayed, that is not the USPS conducting voter suppression, that is a foreseeable risk.

[SLA8]

It doesn't have to be intentional to be voter suppression.

Above all, you are making a mistake in picking apart my argument. The suppression of the vote doesn't come from the USPS's delay in getting the ballots in, it comes from the decision of elected officials that they shouldn't be counted because of said delay.

If board of elections want to account for delays they need a hard deadline for voters to send ballots in (the deadline shouldn't be when they're received since that's totally out of the voters' hands).

At the core of the matter, however, I don't see what is the issue at the end of the day with some ballots coming in a little later if posted by election day.

[Tekken_Guy]

Federal court ruling is tomorrow.

Which court?

Appeals court I think.

How are they likely to rule?

[BudgieForce]

Federal court ruling is tomorrow.

Which court?

Appeals court I think.

How are they likely to rule?

Andrew Hanen, the judge overseeing this case, is famous for ruling against the Obama administration on DACA. People are concerned because they think he's a republican partisan who would rule to help republicans.

However, he's also a George W. Bush appointee whose been on the bench since 2002. And I cant find much about any of his rulings going against the Texas Supreme Court. He might be a hardliner on immigration and a normal republican judge on everything else.

[Hammy]

Federal court ruling is tomorrow.

Which court?

Appeals court I think.

How are they likely to rule?

Probably in Republicans' favor given what other posters have been saying about the particular judge they got.

[South Dakota Democrat]

I’ve been dooming about this for this entire election cycle.

They. Will. Steal. This. Election.

This would probably be why people get annoyed and stop listening to your message.  We get it.

[Hammy]

I’ve been dooming about this for this entire election cycle.

They. Will. Steal. This. Election.

I'm pretty pessimistic but when you start gloating about your dooming as if you have something to prove, people start taking you less seriously.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It doesn't have to be intentional to be voter suppression.

Above all, you are making a mistake in picking apart my argument. The suppression of the vote doesn't come from the USPS's delay in getting the ballots in, it comes from the decision of elected officials that they shouldn't be counted because of said delay.

If board of elections want to account for delays they need a hard deadline for voters to send ballots in (the deadline shouldn't be when they're received since that's totally out of the voters' hands).

At the core of the matter, however, I don't see what is the issue at the end of the day with some ballots coming in a little later if posted by election day.

You may not have been, but other people in this thread were saying that USPS is intentionally suppressing the votes by taking a bit longer to deliver them.

I think there are good reasons on each side of the debate for having Election Day as receipt deadline or as postmark by deadline. There's a tendency that people trust the process less and less accepting of the final results the longer the vote count takes after Election Day, and start to believe that the election was stolen, so that makes me wary of counting that goes on for days and days. Maybe if we were used to it regularly taking a few days before finding out who won an election, it would be different.