Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[GeorgiaModerate]

What does Trump mean when he talks about the signatures in Georgia?

When absentee ballots are processed, the signatures on the envelopes they arrive in are compared to the signatures on voter registration files. Only if there is a "match" is the ballot legitimate.

After matching, the envelopes are opened and the ballot itself is seperated from the envelope with the signatures to ensure voter secrecy.

Then the actual ballots are counted.

Trump wants to go back and rematch signatures, which is impossible since the ballots and the signatures are seperated after signature verification.

So basically, it is a completely ridiculous bad faith argument from Trump and his cronies. All they care about is making it seem like the election was fraudulent.

The signatures were not matched in accord with Georgia statute.

If large numbers of ballots were unlawfully accepted it could have affected the outcome of the election. Assuming ballots were fraudulently cast, the ballots would likely tilt one way. It would taint the result of the election, regardless whether you can identify the ballots.

You are the one making the bad faith argument:

You are arguing that even if it is determined that a crime was committed, that since we can not know who committed it, or what the effect of the crime was.

Show your work, Jim. SOS office says the process was the same as 2016 and 2018.

Second the above: provide evidence to back up the claim, or stop making it.

Also, the signature rejection rate in 2020 was similar to that in 2018.  Source

[jimrtex]

What does Trump mean when he talks about the signatures in Georgia?

When absentee ballots are processed, the signatures on the envelopes they arrive in are compared to the signatures on voter registration files. Only if there is a "match" is the ballot legitimate.

After matching, the envelopes are opened and the ballot itself is seperated from the envelope with the signatures to ensure voter secrecy.

Then the actual ballots are counted.

Trump wants to go back and rematch signatures, which is impossible since the ballots and the signatures are seperated after signature verification.

So basically, it is a completely ridiculous bad faith argument from Trump and his cronies. All they care about is making it seem like the election was fraudulent.

The signatures were not matched in accord with Georgia statute.

If large numbers of ballots were unlawfully accepted it could have affected the outcome of the election. Assuming ballots were fraudulently cast, the ballots would likely tilt one way. It would taint the result of the election, regardless whether you can identify the ballots.

You are the one making the bad faith argument:

You are arguing that even if it is determined that a crime was committed, that since we can not know who committed it, or what the effect of the crime was.

Show your work, Jim. SOS office says the process was the same as 2016 and 2018.

COMPROMISE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTAND RELEASE (PDF)

If the settlement was reached in March 2020, how could it have been applied in 2016 and 2018?

[jimrtex]

Texas AG Ken Paxton sues to overturn election results in 4 states Trump lost

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has filed an eleventh-hour suit in the U.S. Supreme Court, seeking to overturn election results in four battleground states by alleging pandemic-related election law changes that were not approved by state legislatures were unconstitutional.

The suit targets Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, all states that were won by President-elect Joe Biden. Paxton, a Republican, alleges that changes made to election policies by “executive fiat or friendly lawsuits,” such as expansions of mail voting, opened the door to voter fraud.

Paxton is asking the Supreme Court to postpone the Dec. 14 presidential elector certification deadline to allow voter fraud investigations to be completed, despite no evidence of widespread voter fraud. U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr said last week that the Justice Department’s investigation into claims of voter fraud had uncovered nothing that “could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

disbar him

He's already under federal indictment for securities fraud, hence (probably) why he's doing this. Gotta get that red-hot pardon love.

The federal charges were dismissed three-and-a-half years ago.

The Texas Tribune disagrees.

No it doesn't. The article is talking about the state charges. The federal charges were dismissed three-and-half years ago.

You (or someone posting from your account) claimed that he is under federal indictment, and that his action was in order that Trump would grant a pardon.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Texas AG Ken Paxton sues to overturn election results in 4 states Trump lost

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has filed an eleventh-hour suit in the U.S. Supreme Court, seeking to overturn election results in four battleground states by alleging pandemic-related election law changes that were not approved by state legislatures were unconstitutional.

The suit targets Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, all states that were won by President-elect Joe Biden. Paxton, a Republican, alleges that changes made to election policies by “executive fiat or friendly lawsuits,” such as expansions of mail voting, opened the door to voter fraud.

Paxton is asking the Supreme Court to postpone the Dec. 14 presidential elector certification deadline to allow voter fraud investigations to be completed, despite no evidence of widespread voter fraud. U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr said last week that the Justice Department’s investigation into claims of voter fraud had uncovered nothing that “could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

disbar him

He's already under federal indictment for securities fraud, hence (probably) why he's doing this. Gotta get that red-hot pardon love.

The federal charges were dismissed three-and-a-half years ago.

The Texas Tribune disagrees.

No it doesn't. The article is talking about the state charges. The federal charges were dismissed three-and-half years ago.

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

You (or someone posting from your account) claimed that he is under federal indictment, and that his action was in order that Trump would grant a pardon.

...why the hell would you just randomly suspect other people of posting from my account? Good to know it's not just close Democratic election victories you're black-helicopters paranoid about, I guess.

[Florida Man for Crime]

https://twitter.com/MajorPatriot/status/1336393862110208001

Actually, the probability that Biden won the popular vote in those four states is 1 in 1. Dismissed.

[Gass3268]

Trump loses at the Supreme Court, 9-0, no dissents:

https://twitter.com/scotusreporter/status/1336425805409361921?s=20

[GeorgiaModerate]

Trump loses at the Supreme Court, 9-0, no dissents:

https://twitter.com/scotusreporter/status/1336425805409361921?s=20

I can't wait to see what Trump tweets about this.

[BudgieForce]

Trump loses at the Supreme Court, 9-0, no dissents:

https://twitter.com/scotusreporter/status/1336425805409361921?s=20

I might cry.

edit: In a good way.

[sguberman]

What are the chances MAGA people start to claim the ICC will rule on this case?

[Middle-aged Europe]

Trump loses at the Supreme Court, 9-0, no dissents:

https://twitter.com/scotusreporter/status/1336425805409361921?s=20

I can't wait to see what Trump tweets about this.

The sucker should have put Jared and Ivanka on the bench.

[compucomp]

What are the chances MAGA people start to claim the ICC will rule on this case?

That would go against the core principles of MAGA and America First. Much more likely they will now start openly calling for a coup or martial law.

[BudgieForce]

You gotta love the MAGA response.

Since the Texas case is now on the docket, it means that the SCOTUS will just overturn the election through that case, not this one.

Ignoring the fact that being on the docket only means someone filed the right paperwork, not that the court will actually agree to hear anything.

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336407510069161988

[vitoNova]

What are the chances MAGA people start to claim the ICC will rule on this case?

lulz

[Gass3268]

You gotta love the MAGA response.

Since the Texas case is now on the docket, it means that the SCOTUS will just overturn the election through that case, not this one.

Ignoring the fact that being on the docket only means someone filed the right paperwork, not that the court will actually agree to hear anything.

Yeah, they are dismissing this loss because it will obviously be the Texas case that does it! Duh!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://twitter.com/scotusreporter/status/1336425805409361921?s=19

[BudgieForce]

You gotta love the MAGA response.

Since the Texas case is now on the docket, it means that the SCOTUS will just overturn the election through that case, not this one.

Ignoring the fact that being on the docket only means someone filed the right paperwork, not that the court will actually agree to hear anything.

Yeah, they are dismissing this loss because it will obviously be the Texas case that does it! Duh!

It's so dumb. The case that just got smacked down was on the docket for Christ's sake.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

And this is the whole decision, one sentence and no dissents LOL.

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1336428598568349702?s=19

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Imagine how sh***y your case has to be for Alito to deny it.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1336437615269203968

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Does this Texas lawsuit have any kind of merit or is it just more garbage?

[Devils30]

Even more garbage than the PA one. I don't see how Texas could have standing

[Middle-aged Europe]

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1336437615269203968

Repeat the election as many times as it is neccessary for Trump to get re-elected!

[MR DARK BRANDON]

You guys don't understand. There's this thing called Ultra SCOTUS that Trump's going to appeal to and if that fails there, then it'll just go to Super Ultra SCOTUS. TRUMP IS STILL IN THIS!!!!! This is all part of the plan Libs 😎

[GeorgiaModerate]

Even more garbage than the PA one. I don't see how Texas could have standing

I loved Rick Hasen's response to the Texas suit:

https://twitter.com/rickhasen/status/1336437401439195137