Bush vs Cuomo 92(No Perot)

[OSR stands with Israel]

I actually think Bush wins this with a last Hurrah in California due to Bush slamming Cuomo over and over on his record on crime in NY and his anti death penalty stance(and CA was an extremely tough on crime state back then)

Bush 324
Cuomo 224

[dw93]

Mario Cuomo: 304 EV, 51% PV
George HW Bush: 204 EV, 48% PV

Cuomo wins on weak economic growth, enough depressed turnout on the right over "Read My Lips...", and Bush running as bad a campaign as he did OTL.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Mario Cuomo: 304 EV, 51% PV
George HW Bush: 204 EV, 48% PV

Cuomo wins on weak economic growth, enough depressed turnout on the right over "Read My Lips...", and Bush running as bad a campaign as he did OTL.

Its hard for me to see Cuomo winning a state like CA though given the fact that back then it was an extremely tough on crime state while Cuomo record on that issue was really bad and easily attackable (arguably more so than Dukakis) and he was anti death penalty too.

I think Reason Bush ran a bad campaign as OTL was cause Clinton made it so that the standard Republican playbook against Democrats would not work given he was an extremely tough on crime Democrat, and for welfare reform as well. Against Cuomo Bush could run the standard Republican playbook which would make his campaign much better

I think its possible CA might be the tipping point state but Bush narrowly takes it unless his no tax pledge depresses turnout in key areas but if turnout is good enough from the base in California id give Bush the very narrow edge there as Reagan probably goes all out in the last couple weeks in Calfornia trying to get the base enthusiastic enough to vote for Bush

[dw93]

Mario Cuomo: 304 EV, 51% PV
George HW Bush: 204 EV, 48% PV

Cuomo wins on weak economic growth, enough depressed turnout on the right over "Read My Lips...", and Bush running as bad a campaign as he did OTL.

Its hard for me to see Cuomo winning a state like CA though given the fact that back then it was an extremely tough on crime state while Cuomo record on that issue was really bad and easily attackable (arguably more so than Dukakis) and he was anti death penalty too.

I think Reason Bush ran a bad campaign as OTL was cause Clinton made it so that the standard Republican playbook against Democrats would not work given he was an extremely tough on crime Democrat, and for welfare reform as well. Against Cuomo Bush could run the standard Republican playbook which would make his campaign much better

I think its possible CA might be the tipping point state but Bush narrowly takes it unless his no tax pledge depresses turnout in key areas but if turnout is good enough from the base in California id give Bush the very narrow edge there as Reagan probably goes all out in the last couple weeks in Calfornia trying to get the base enthusiastic enough to vote for Bush

If I remember correctly, California was hit hard economically in the early 90s. That alone would likely put it in Cuomo's column and the state was one of the closer states in 1988 and even 1984. Barring someone as eccentric as Brown getting nominated or a more serious scandal were to sink Clinton, I can't see Bush being re elected.

[darklordoftech]

I’m sure Cuomo would moderate on crime.

[25 Abril/Aprile Sempre!]

I’m sure Cuomo would moderate on crime.

I'm sure Bush would attack him as a flip-flopper.

[President Johnson]

Mario Cuomo was able and charismatic politician. I think he would have defeated Bush, who was doomed in 1992 anyway. I also tend to believe that Cuomo would have defeated Bush in 1988, too.

✓ Governor Mario M. Cuomo (D-NY)/Senator Albert Arnold Gore (D-TN): 340 EV. (51.88%)
President George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Vice President J. Danforth Quayle (R-IN): 198 EV. (46.53%)

[Fuzzy Bear]

1992 was the year that the Culture War Liberals began to benefit from the Northern pushback against the Religious Right.  Mario Cuomo would have been a beneficiary of that. 

The battlegrounds for this campaign would have been California, the Northeast, and the Midwest. 

Cuomo would have been the first Italian-American Presidential nominee.  That would have been a big deal amongst culturally conservative Italians in big city suburbs.  That would have been enough to tip NJ for Cuomo (although it would have been tough).  It would have been a close election, and turnout on Election Day would have been the key.

[NewYorkExpress]

Cuomo was a stronger nominee than Bill Clinton, so he wins.

That said, I think without Perot in the race, his margin of victory is about the same as what Clinton actually got.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Cuomo was a stronger nominee than Bill Clinton, so he wins.

That said, I think without Perot in the race, his margin of victory is about the same as what Clinton actually got.

Cuomo was not a stronger candidate than Bill Clinton . Bill Clinton denied Bush the ability to use the same playbook republicans used in the past .

With Cuomo , Bush could hammer him on his record on crime in New York , his opposition to the death penalty , being a tax and spend liberal and it very well could work . States such as California and New Jersey then were extremely tough on crime and very very unforgiving to politicians viewed as weak on the issue .


He also would do much worse in the south and I doubt he wins any southern states besides WV

[CivicParticipant]