Every Swing State Except North Carolina Won't Accept Mail-In Ballots That Arrive After Election Day

[Progressive Pessimist]

Well that's a bummer. I'm depressed again about this election. We really can't have nice things.

I mean, I'm not going to act like this guarantees Trump re-election in spite of the polls, but it does seem to be his last hope and the one thing he seems to have strategically had a long-term plan for. It's a caveat for this election that I've always dreaded and now it looks like it's realistically turning into something that we will have to be anxious about until election day itself. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get a situation like what happened during this year's Wisconsin primaries, where Americans turn out anyway because they are so repulsed by the GOP and Trump. I know that I would be willing to physically go out and vote if I had to. I would risk my health for this election. It's so f***ed up that Americans are going to have choose between their health and their civic duty at all though. The burden really shouldn't be on the voter. This is not how a healthy, sustainable republic should function.

I really hope that Democratic candidates, Governors, organizers, Secretaries of State, etc. make a massive push to emphasize the importance of Americans voting as early as possible and making sure polling locations are as plentiful and safe as possible. It might even need to become the new most important topic of this election alongside COVID-19, which it is intrinsically tied to.

It would be funny though if North Carolina somehow ends up saving us all though in surprisingly having a better system in place than other battleground states. I would have assumed that the North Carolina GOP, among the most nefarious state parties in the country, would have put the kibosh on that.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/HRC_NV/status/1289361355112235008?s=20

[G_Master]

Well that's a bummer. I'm depressed again about this election. We really can't have nice things.

I mean, I'm not going to act like this guarantees Trump re-election in spite of the polls, but it does seem to be his last hope and the one thing he seems to have strategically had a long-term plan for. It's a caveat for this election that I've always dreaded and now it looks like it's realistically turning into something that we will have to be anxious about until election day itself. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get a situation like what happened during this year's Wisconsin primaries, where Americans turn out anyway because they are so repulsed by the GOP and Trump. I know that I would be willing to physically go out and vote if I had to. I would risk my health for this election. It's so f***ed up that Americans are going to have choose between their health and their civic duty at all though. The burden really shouldn't be on the voter. This is not how a healthy, sustainable republic should function.

I really hope that Democratic candidates, Governors, organizers, Secretaries of State, etc. make a massive push to emphasize the importance of Americans voting as early as possible and making sure polling locations are as plentiful and safe as possible. It might even need to become the new most important topic of this election alongside COVID-19, which it is intrinsically tied to.

It would be funny though if North Carolina somehow ends up saving us all though in surprisingly having a better system in place than other battleground states. I would have assumed that the North Carolina GOP, among the most nefarious state parties in the country, would have put the kibosh on that.

No Voter ID, no-excuse absentee ballots, ballots mailed out 60(!) days before election day, ballots processed and counted with enough time in advance, plenty of time to vote early and in person, plenty of places to vote in person. Yep, I think it's pretty good to be honest.

[Hammy]

https://twitter.com/HRC_NV/status/1289352341666357249?s=20

What was it? It's been deleted now.

[Interlocutor]

To all the bed-wetters here, this is how vote-by-mail has worked in WI for as long as I've been here, including that WI Supreme Court election that the "D candidate" won in a landslide recently.

Let's all work to keep voters informed and their votes counted instead of freaking out over speculation about every little detail or every noise-level movement in a poll.

Yeah, this story (Opinion piece, actually) is only getting discussed in light of the recent stories regarding the post office. But I feel many states have had this on the books for years to little fanfare.


No surprise that this thread is filled with the usual suspects who've already declared Trump the winner regardless of anything. The same pessimists & cynics that will find any angle possible to avoid a hint of give.

It started with "Trump will win in a nailbiter", but then his support started dwindling parallel to his COVID response. Then it became "Trump will rebound by the summer", but then the protests came and the polling margins practically doubled in a month. Then it became "The polls will tighten", but they've been stubbornly steady with more voters becoming more solid by the day. Then it became "Polls are underestimating his support", but it's at the point where not even that could save him. Now, the new collective excuse is "He's gonna successfully rig the election" on an administrative level he or his office hasn't come close to executing yet.

And if this really is his plan, then he's already executed it horribly by essentially revealing it a month before the first ballots are distributed. Biden & the DNC must be dumbfounded with how to proceed with their turnout strategy. I guess they'll now have to come up with something better than "Send in your ballots the weekend before the election"

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

While this is bad from a democracy perspective I don't see why it makes Trump safe unless Republicans have a faster way to send mail.

Republicans aren't voting by mail

Mail in voting is heavily skewed toward rural areas.

The assumption here is that every single Republican will vote in person and every single Democrat will vote by mail. Which is not true. Also that all Democrats voting by mail will be late in sending in their ballots.

Dude I don't know what to tell you, polling shows that Democrats are overwhelmingly voting by mail and Republicans are mostly voting in-person.

Obviously it's not going to be 100/0 and 0/100, but the divide is obviously enough to make a difference.

Your post says "Republicans aren't voting by mail". This means literally not a single Republican is. There's no "Most" or any other such word at the beginning.

I obviously didn't mean every single one? Basic common sense and reading comprehension indicates it's a generalized statement...

I'm mostly just making a point against the bed-wetting and hysteria here. Yes this is a serious issue (well moreso the slowdowns in the postal service, as noted this has already been the law in most states for mail-in ballots well before this), but put things into perspective: If Trump is down 10 points, then for this to swing it to him then 10% of all ballots (not all mail-in ballots. All ballots.) need to be disqualified, and every single one of those has to be a D ballot. That's not plausible. Plus the fact that this stuff is getting attention just ensures that Democrats will be more likely to send in their ballots early.

This is why Democrats shouldn't rest on their laurels, not a reason to throw hissy fits and scream about how Trump is now 100% guaranteed re-election.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/HRC_NV/status/1289352341666357249?s=20

What was it? It's been deleted now.

https://twitter.com/HRC_NV/status/1289361355112235008?s=20

[OSR stands with Israel]

How the f**k is this legal?

Um lmao it’s the sane thing to do . That’s why Oregon has one of the best mail in ballot systems in the country

[The Dowager Mod]

This is a total travesty.

I literally don't know what we can do about this.

If we don't get the laws changed, we're going to lose.

Prepare yourself mentally for four more years folks, it's happenng.

Looks like Trump's going to win.

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

This forum is unbearable. The amount of fake and real concern trolling ruins alot of discussion here.

If this thread is a sign of things to come, the next 3 months is gonna be a hysterical & fatalistic roller-coaster

Yeah. I don't know why I keep coming back here when it seems like half the people dont know crap about polls and are only here to either panic or gloat.

If it is unbearable here why keep making socks and coming back?

[Morgan Kingsley]

This is a total travesty.

I literally don't know what we can do about this.

If we don't get the laws changed, we're going to lose.

Prepare yourself mentally for four more years folks, it's happenng.

Looks like Trump's going to win.

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

This forum is unbearable. The amount of fake and real concern trolling ruins alot of discussion here.

If this thread is a sign of things to come, the next 3 months is gonna be a hysterical & fatalistic roller-coaster

Yeah. I don't know why I keep coming back here when it seems like half the people dont know crap about polls and are only here to either panic or gloat.

If it is unbearable here why keep making socks and coming back?

Who is The sock maker here? NYCMM?

[Gass3268]

Minnesota will allow for votes received after election day as long as its postmarked on election day:

https://twitter.com/TheoKeith/status/1290410906376183808?s=20

[Interlocutor]

Can this thread be merged & stickied as the "National Voter Suppression" megathread or something? Cause this isn't even gonna be the last Suppression-related thread of the week

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Minnesota will allow for votes received after election day as long as its postmarked on election day:

https://twitter.com/TheoKeith/status/1290410906376183808?s=20
 

This isnt a surprise, the same rulings were made for the primary. The Secretary of State is technically the defendent in these cases but he supports the outcome and promoted that made no attempt to fight it. Some legislative Republicans are talking about appealing it but the Minnesota Supreme Court is dominated by DFL hacks and any appeal is going nowhere.

[nclib]

While mail-in ballots should certainly count if postmarked by election day, and not doing so is basically voter suppression, even if your state allows this, it is a good idea to vote of time. Even if Biden wins, we don't want it to appear on Election Day that Trump is likely to win.

[Mr. Third-Wayist]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Skill and Chance]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Voting rules/method mattered a lot less than expected.  The only swing state that went to universal VBM (Nevada) was also the only swing state that swung toward Trump.  California also went to universal VBM and swung toward Trump.  Trump still won NC despite the extended deadline, and the state with the latest deadline in the country (Illinois) swung toward Trump.  The only competitive state without VBM available to the general population (Texas) both swung and trended toward Biden, albeit by less than some people expected.