Every Swing State Except North Carolina Won't Accept Mail-In Ballots That Arrive After Election Day

[RFKFan68]

I'm voting early in person. I don't see how it would be any worse than my trips to the grocery store.

[Ferguson97]

While this is bad from a democracy perspective I don't see why it makes Trump safe unless Republicans have a faster way to send mail.

Republicans aren't voting by mail

Mail in voting is heavily skewed toward rural areas.

The assumption here is that every single Republican will vote in person and every single Democrat will vote by mail. Which is not true. Also that all Democrats voting by mail will be late in sending in their ballots.

Dude I don't know what to tell you, polling shows that Democrats are overwhelmingly voting by mail and Republicans are mostly voting in-person.

Obviously it's not going to be 100/0 and 0/100, but the divide is obviously enough to make a difference.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

While this is bad from a democracy perspective I don't see why it makes Trump safe unless Republicans have a faster way to send mail.

Republicans aren't voting by mail

Mail in voting is heavily skewed toward rural areas.

The assumption here is that every single Republican will vote in person and every single Democrat will vote by mail. Which is not true. Also that all Democrats voting by mail will be late in sending in their ballots.

Dude I don't know what to tell you, polling shows that Democrats are overwhelmingly voting by mail and Republicans are mostly voting in-person.

Obviously it's not going to be 100/0 and 0/100, but the divide is obviously enough to make a difference.

Your post says "Republicans aren't voting by mail". This means literally not a single Republican is. There's no "Most" or any other such word at the beginning.

[Interlocutor]

If this thread is a sign of things to come, the next 3 months is gonna be a hysterical & fatalistic roller-coaster

[ProgressiveModerate]

While this is bad from a democracy perspective I don't see why it makes Trump safe unless Republicans have a faster way to send mail.

Republicans aren't voting by mail

Mail in voting is heavily skewed toward rural areas.

The assumption here is that every single Republican will vote in person and every single Democrat will vote by mail. Which is not true. Also that all Democrats voting by mail will be late in sending in their ballots.

Dude I don't know what to tell you, polling shows that Democrats are overwhelmingly voting by mail and Republicans are mostly voting in-person.

Obviously it's not going to be 100/0 and 0/100, but the divide is obviously enough to make a difference.

I've seen polling that suggest that Democrats have a more favorable view on VBM than Rs. However, I haven't seen sufficient polling to conclude that a higher % of D voters will VBM over Rs, especially if VBM means your ballot may not be counted

[Ferguson97]

While this is bad from a democracy perspective I don't see why it makes Trump safe unless Republicans have a faster way to send mail.

Republicans aren't voting by mail

Mail in voting is heavily skewed toward rural areas.

The assumption here is that every single Republican will vote in person and every single Democrat will vote by mail. Which is not true. Also that all Democrats voting by mail will be late in sending in their ballots.

Dude I don't know what to tell you, polling shows that Democrats are overwhelmingly voting by mail and Republicans are mostly voting in-person.

Obviously it's not going to be 100/0 and 0/100, but the divide is obviously enough to make a difference.

Your post says "Republicans aren't voting by mail". This means literally not a single Republican is. There's no "Most" or any other such word at the beginning.

I obviously didn't mean every single one? Basic common sense and reading comprehension indicates it's a generalized statement...

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Why exactly would this hurt Dems though. Many Trump supporters are older folks in poorer heath who may not feel safe voting in person. Most Dems are taking this election very seriously too, and will make sure their ballot is recieved at all cost.

Yes, but they also believe COVID to be a hoax. A hoax that's killed 153,000 Americans and counting.

Turnout at Tulsa seems to say otherwise

[Horus]

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

[VoterDoofus]

This is a total travesty.

I literally don't know what we can do about this.

If we don't get the laws changed, we're going to lose.

Prepare yourself mentally for four more years folks, it's happenng.

Looks like Trump's going to win.

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

This forum is unbearable. The amount of fake and real concern trolling ruins alot of discussion here.

If this thread is a sign of things to come, the next 3 months is gonna be a hysterical & fatalistic roller-coaster

Yeah. I don't know why I keep coming back here when it seems like half the people dont know crap about polls and are only here to either panic or gloat.

[ProgressiveModerate]

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

I don't think their stupid for pushing it, but if there is a threat that people's ballots won't be recieved if they VBM, then they should encourage their base to vote in person when possible, and if they do VBM, to mail in the ballot early, maybe even go right to the post office. Say that we should've had VBM, but Trump threatens the legitimacy of it. None of this is really Ds fault.

[Hammy]

Democrats are complicit in Trump's dismantling of civil and human rights in this country by standing by and doing nothing rather than either making their states all-mail to level the playing field so to speak, or making sure the ballots are sent out as early as possible.

[G_Master]

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

I don't think their stupid for pushing it, but if there is a threat that people's ballots won't be recieved if they VBM, then they should encourage their base to vote in person when possible, and if they do VBM, to mail in the ballot early, maybe even go right to the post office. Say that we should've had VBM, but Trump threatens the legitimacy of it. None of this is really Ds fault.

And I hope that the message is clear with this. VBM is inherently good, but the system is corrupted, and that falls squarely on President Trump and the Republican Party, NOT on VBM itself. There are several states that have early voting, and some states have it as early as September 18 (like MN, VA, and SD). I definitely think it will be interesting to see if people actually wait for their ballots or just vote at the earliest possible date.

If there is one silver lining, it's that people can see this eff-up in advance and can at least plan for the possibility of their ballot not arriving, and, thus, they can prepare for an alternative.

Also good luck for any voters in Mississippi or South Carolina, which not only do not have COVID-19 as an excuse but do also do not have early voting.

[Hammy]

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

I don't think their stupid for pushing it, but if there is a threat that people's ballots won't be recieved if they VBM, then they should encourage their base to vote in person when possible, and if they do VBM, to mail in the ballot early, maybe even go right to the post office. Say that we should've had VBM, but Trump threatens the legitimacy of it. None of this is really Ds fault.

And I hope that the message is clear with this. VBM is inherently good, but the system is corrupted, and that falls squarely on President Trump and the Republican Party, NOT on VBM itself. There are several states that have early voting, and some states have it as early as September 18 (like MN, VA, and SD). I definitely think it will be interesting to see if people actually wait for their ballots or just vote at the earliest possible date.

If there is one silver lining, it's that people can see this eff-up in advance and can at least plan for the possibility of their ballot not arriving, and, thus, they can prepare for an alternative.

The question is how known is this outside of political circles such as here and elsewhere online, or are the majority of voters that oppose Trump going to be waiting around for their ballots only for it to arrive late?

Are the states or parties making sure this is readily known (such as TV advertising) rather than in places people would have to go out of their way to find?

[ProgressiveModerate]

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

I don't think their stupid for pushing it, but if there is a threat that people's ballots won't be recieved if they VBM, then they should encourage their base to vote in person when possible, and if they do VBM, to mail in the ballot early, maybe even go right to the post office. Say that we should've had VBM, but Trump threatens the legitimacy of it. None of this is really Ds fault.

And I hope that the message is clear with this. VBM is inherently good, but the system is corrupted, and that falls squarely on President Trump and the Republican Party, NOT on VBM itself. There are several states that have early voting, and some states have it as early as September 18 (like MN, VA, and SD). I definitely think it will be interesting to see if people actually wait for their ballots or just vote at the earliest possible date.

If there is one silver lining, it's that people can see this eff-up in advance and can at least plan for the possibility of their ballot not arriving, and, thus, they can prepare for an alternative.

The question is how known is this outside of political circles such as here and elsewhere online, or are the majority of voters that oppose Trump going to be waiting around for their ballots only for it to arrive late?

Are the states or parties making sure this is readily known (such as TV advertising) rather than in places people would have to go out of their way to find?

Trump has made the anti-trump base far more engaged than what it usually is. From my experience, basically everyone who dislikes Trump openly seems very committed to ensuring they vote him out of office, and won't just sit around and miss the election.

[Interlocutor]

Are these new laws or restrictions that were passed in the last year or have they been on the books for the last couple elections? For example, it was only in 2015 that California started allowing mail ballots to be accepted 3 days later as long as it was postmarked by Election Day. I assumed California was in the small minority that allowed that.

Regardless, Dems should be reminding everyone ad naseum to mail in their ballots ASAP. But the fatalists thinking this a "cataclysmic" situation were gonna find any excuse to stay cynical over the next 3 months anyway. This being a story wouldn't change that at all.

Honestly, I'd be more worried about the post office "losing ballots" from certain precincts within a month of the election.

[Hammy]

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

I don't think their stupid for pushing it, but if there is a threat that people's ballots won't be recieved if they VBM, then they should encourage their base to vote in person when possible, and if they do VBM, to mail in the ballot early, maybe even go right to the post office. Say that we should've had VBM, but Trump threatens the legitimacy of it. None of this is really Ds fault.

And I hope that the message is clear with this. VBM is inherently good, but the system is corrupted, and that falls squarely on President Trump and the Republican Party, NOT on VBM itself. There are several states that have early voting, and some states have it as early as September 18 (like MN, VA, and SD). I definitely think it will be interesting to see if people actually wait for their ballots or just vote at the earliest possible date.

If there is one silver lining, it's that people can see this eff-up in advance and can at least plan for the possibility of their ballot not arriving, and, thus, they can prepare for an alternative.

The question is how known is this outside of political circles such as here and elsewhere online, or are the majority of voters that oppose Trump going to be waiting around for their ballots only for it to arrive late?

Are the states or parties making sure this is readily known (such as TV advertising) rather than in places people would have to go out of their way to find?

Trump has made the anti-trump base far more engaged than what it usually is. From my experience, basically everyone who dislikes Trump openly seems very committed to ensuring they vote him out of office, and won't just sit around and miss the election.

Correct me if I'm wrong but once you apply for an absentee ballot you are not on the precinct list for the election so people who apply for a ballot that they fill out and send out, only for that ballot to arrive late and not get accepted, has nothing to do with voters "sitting around missing the election" which goes back to my question given the pandemic that's going on.

[Interlocutor]

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

I don't think their stupid for pushing it, but if there is a threat that people's ballots won't be recieved if they VBM, then they should encourage their base to vote in person when possible, and if they do VBM, to mail in the ballot early, maybe even go right to the post office. Say that we should've had VBM, but Trump threatens the legitimacy of it. None of this is really Ds fault.

And I hope that the message is clear with this. VBM is inherently good, but the system is corrupted, and that falls squarely on President Trump and the Republican Party, NOT on VBM itself. There are several states that have early voting, and some states have it as early as September 18 (like MN, VA, and SD). I definitely think it will be interesting to see if people actually wait for their ballots or just vote at the earliest possible date.

If there is one silver lining, it's that people can see this eff-up in advance and can at least plan for the possibility of their ballot not arriving, and, thus, they can prepare for an alternative.

The question is how known is this outside of political circles such as here and elsewhere online, or are the majority of voters that oppose Trump going to be waiting around for their ballots only for it to arrive late?

Are the states or parties making sure this is readily known (such as TV advertising) rather than in places people would have to go out of their way to find?

Trump has made the anti-trump base far more engaged than what it usually is. From my experience, basically everyone who dislikes Trump openly seems very committed to ensuring they vote him out of office, and won't just sit around and miss the election.

Correct me if I'm wrong but once you apply for an absentee ballot you are not on the precinct list for the election so people who apply for a ballot that they fill out and send out, only for that ballot to arrive late and not get accepted, has nothing to do with voters "sitting around missing the election" which goes back to my question given the pandemic that's going on.

In California, if you vote absentee or by mail, it says as much in the precinct lists. If someone physical shows up and they're listed as VBM, they're still allowed to fill out a provisional ballot

[WD]

You guys are ridiculous. Chill out with the hysteria and bed wetting, can you?

[Hammy]

You guys are ridiculous. Chill out with the hysteria and bed wetting, can you?

People may have no way of even guaranteeing if their vote gets counted, or even arrives on time--this is a serious matter that needs treated as such, not dismissed as hysteria.

In California, if you vote absentee or by mail, it says as much in the precinct lists. If someone physical shows up and they're listed as VBM, they're still allowed to fill out a provisional ballot

What's the difference between the two? I keep seeing them talked about as two separate concepts. Also your growing sig is at least a source of consistent amusement.

[Morgan Kingsley]

Wow, what a shocker

[SWE]

North Carolina being the one to actually hold a real election is a real twist

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

I haven't heard of a state where requesting an absentee ballot removes you from the precinct list. Only if one is accepted and delivered before election day.

You can also deliver an absentee ballot to the clerk office up until election day too.

[Dr. Arch]

To all the bed-wetters here, this is how vote-by-mail has worked in WI for as long as I've been here, including that WI Supreme Court election that the "D candidate" won in a landslide recently.

Let's all work to keep voters informed and their votes counted instead of freaking out over speculation about every little detail or every noise-level movement in a poll.

[G_Master]

Dems are stupid for pushing vbm. It will likely cost them the presidency. I've never voted that way and never will, doesn't feel right.

I don't think their stupid for pushing it, but if there is a threat that people's ballots won't be recieved if they VBM, then they should encourage their base to vote in person when possible, and if they do VBM, to mail in the ballot early, maybe even go right to the post office. Say that we should've had VBM, but Trump threatens the legitimacy of it. None of this is really Ds fault.

And I hope that the message is clear with this. VBM is inherently good, but the system is corrupted, and that falls squarely on President Trump and the Republican Party, NOT on VBM itself. There are several states that have early voting, and some states have it as early as September 18 (like MN, VA, and SD). I definitely think it will be interesting to see if people actually wait for their ballots or just vote at the earliest possible date.

If there is one silver lining, it's that people can see this eff-up in advance and can at least plan for the possibility of their ballot not arriving, and, thus, they can prepare for an alternative.

The question is how known is this outside of political circles such as here and elsewhere online, or are the majority of voters that oppose Trump going to be waiting around for their ballots only for it to arrive late?

Are the states or parties making sure this is readily known (such as TV advertising) rather than in places people would have to go out of their way to find?

I think it's fairly well known that mail is unusually slower than normal, even for pandemic standards. I think a lot of people who are anti-Trump are connecting the dots between slowing the mail and electoral sabotage. I think it's unclear as to how many people are making alternative plans. I think this should be the main thing to focus on for getting out the vote for this election.

I just want to say that I hope Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Utah, Hawaii (and now California) will be able to get out their ballots on time. This is something that has had me concerned. Not sure maybe their votes can be counted after election day; but it's a scary thought that your DEFAULT method of voting is under attack (and not just an "alternative," like most states but the one that is solely relied upon.)

[Hammy]

I haven't heard of a state where requesting an absentee ballot removes you from the precinct list. Only if one is accepted and delivered before election day.

You can also deliver an absentee ballot to the clerk office up until election day too.

Granted it was 2012 (and a primary) but this is what Florida did when I applied for absentee ballot but it wasn't sent out on time, so that's the experience I have with this.