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Fuzzy Bear
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« on: July 26, 2020, 02:52:05 PM »

It's being used because BLM co-founders Patrisse Cullors and Alicia Garza have described themselves as "trained Marxists".  That's their own words in a friendly interview.  An unforced self-description.

Sparkey's description of many of the rioters as Proudhonists is accurate.
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 03:14:28 PM »

Meh... you mean the way it is increasingly applied by Trumpists to anyone who protests against police violence or racism as some form of all-purpose, but ultimately pretty unspecified, boogeyman description in order to avoid actually discussing police violence or racism?

Pretty moronic, I'd say. And annoying, which is maybe even the point: "to troll the libs".



As for the term "Marxist" itself irrespective of the recent political instrumentalization by the American Right: Seems to cover a pretty broad spectrum and therefore it really necessitates further specification which branch of Marxism a Marxist belongs to in order to carry any true meaning. Joseph Stalin was a Marxist. So were Theodor Adorno and the Frankfurt School. So were Jean-Paul Sartre, Bertolt Brecht, and Pier Paolo Pasolini. So were a huge chunk of the leaders of the Bauhaus. Mother Theresa was Catholic... so was Timothy McVeigh.

Most Marxists in our Society do not openly advertise that fact.  In BLM, we have co-founders who have actually admitted this.  Why would "trained Marxists" lead a non-Marxist movement is beyond me.  Why people who identify with BLM would deny Marxism is twofold; some would do so because they are not really Marxists, but are "fellow travelers" along for the ride for whatever reason, or they don't really understand that it's Marxism they've signed up for.  (If you teach a person to adhere to all of Marx and Lenin's teachings without attaching names to them, a person can honestly deny being a Marxist-Leninist.)  The more likely reason is that Marxists in America are more powerful when they simply be Marxists but don't admit to being one; it gives them rhetorical defense when attacked.

Sparkey is right; many of the current rioters are Proudhonists.   A lot of people here cheering on the Mob here aren't actual Marxists; they've merely deluded themselves into believing that this mob is something other than it is because what this Mob is actually doing does conflict with many of the principles of the supporters.  They are not Marxists, but they are doing things to help Marxists; that part is plain as day.

It may not be too late for Joe Biden to make some kind of statement unequivocally condemning all of the riots to the point where he also calls for the peaceful protesters to cease.  And he should; the words of the peaceful protesters have been heard; their presence on the street only fuels the rioting criminals.  If they are truly "peaceful", Biden ought to challenge them to act unselfishly for the sake of peace in our cities.  "No Justice!  No Peace!" is a falsehood; there cannot be justice without peace, just as there cannot be liberty without order.  If Biden were to do this, it would anger the far left, but it would convince normal Americans that he knows right from wrong and has the courage to act on it.  (It would also have the effect of quelling much of the talk that he's senile.)  It may not be too late.  Then, again, it may be.  2020 is turning out to be the year where sensible liberals lost their minds and their perspective and sided with the anti-American left that hates them and wants to destroy the very country all of us live in.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2020, 08:55:40 PM »

It's being used because BLM co-founders Patrisse Cullors and Alicia Garza have described themselves as "trained Marxists".  That's their own words in a friendly interview.  An unforced self-description.

Sparkey's description of many of the rioters as Proudhonists is accurate.

Just curious oh, fuzzy. Would you be more at ease if they were untrained marxists? I mean, my wife went to a quiet sitting on the lawn of our church with several other mothers and quietly held black lives matters sign getting a combination of hogs in the occasional Dofus yelling all lives matter from their cars, the last 2 weeks. She's very interested in where she could get her Marxist certificate. Is there at least a Marxist in training certification she could get? Please advise.

I'd be more at ease if they didn't manifest such virulent hatred for America and their willingness to use Mob Violence as their primary tool.
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