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« on: July 24, 2020, 06:29:37 PM »

Personally, from a small-d democratic standpoint and disregarding the political ramifications, I do think DC residents should gain congressional representation.

Should DC become a state? Why or why not?
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2020, 09:13:51 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2020, 11:40:49 PM »

Statehood:  No
Voting representation in the House:  Yes
Voting representation in the Senate:  No
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2020, 12:00:13 PM »

Yes, all Americans deserve full representation in Congress and the right to self-govern on the level of any state without interference from Congress.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2020, 07:26:18 PM »

As soon as possible,  the last time we had 52 seats or more, it was blocked.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2020, 12:15:42 PM »

Annex it back into Maryland and keep all the government stuff in New DC
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2020, 01:52:51 PM »

Annex it back into Maryland and keep all the government stuff in New DC

Maryland doesn't want that, though.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2020, 02:43:25 PM »

Annex it back into Maryland and keep all the government stuff in New DC

Maryland doesn't want that, though.

You imply the federal government cares about that
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2020, 04:05:27 PM »

Annex it back into Maryland and keep all the government stuff in New DC

Maryland doesn't want that, though.

You imply the federal government cares about that

You imply that you don't.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2020, 03:31:26 AM »

I would like to make it a special non-state entity with one full Representative and one full Senator.

Retrocession to Maryland is another idea that I support but apparently Marylanders do not want that.
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2020, 09:42:10 PM »

Why doesn’t Maryland want DC?
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2020, 01:19:52 PM »


For one thing, Baltimore would be even further marginalized (& the rural areas might as well be made to not exist) in the state legislature.

DC would also have a lot of problems that MD would have to set up means to address, like setting up circuit & district courts, appointing judges (who may or may not be District holdovers), replacing the DC AG with a state's attorney, etc.

So MD would just rather not be granted the inherent burdens.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2020, 02:34:12 PM »

Yes, clearly. You got hundreds of thousands of people living there with no representation in congress despite congress officially having authority over it. DC should not be given half representation because it wouldn't even be the least populous state, and because all Americans should have full participation in democracy, not just those who happen to be in one of the 50 states. I'm sure the founding fathers didn't expect DC to become the massive city that it is. And it isn't like having the right to vote has caused all the other capital cities throughout the world to collapse. Having reps in congress isn't going to set DC ablaze.
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2020, 06:52:40 PM »

Yes, clearly. You got hundreds of thousands of people living there with no representation in congress despite congress officially having authority over it. DC should not be given half representation because it wouldn't even be the least populous state, and because all Americans should have full participation in democracy, not just those who happen to be in one of the 50 states. I'm sure the founding fathers didn't expect DC to become the massive city that it is. And it isn't like having the right to vote has caused all the other capital cities throughout the world to collapse. Having reps in congress isn't going to set DC ablaze.

Representation in Congress and Statehood are two separate issues linked only by the fact that Statehood is one method by which representation could be achieved. I support DC having representation in Congress, but I don't support DC statehood.
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2020, 07:58:55 PM »

yeah, plus statehood for Puerto Rico, every other US territory, and Taiwan.
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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2020, 11:03:24 AM »

I kind of appreciate the idea of the nation's capital "not being a state," honestly.  However, I do think DC should get voting representation in the House.  Also, I think it's worth noting that it's not like it *WAS* a state and we decided that it shouldn't have Senators anymore; DC was carved out of two states specifically NOT to be a state.  If we took a tiny portion of the Kansas and Nebraska border out for a new capital, I don't think we should just give the area two new Republican Senators, too, lol.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2020, 03:26:16 PM »

Annex it back into Maryland and keep all the government stuff in New DC

Maryland doesn't want that, though.

You imply the federal government cares about that

Quote from: Article IV, Section III
New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

If you're doing junction, you need approval of the state in question.

Virginia actually wanted its half of DC back, which is how it got its half back. You can't shove DC into Maryland without Maryland wanting it.
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2020, 04:08:13 PM »

I'm surprised Maryland wouldn't want it, seems like it'd be an absolute cash cow for tax and tourism revenue.
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2020, 04:27:21 PM »

I'm surprised Maryland wouldn't want it, seems like it'd be an absolute cash cow for tax and tourism revenue.
Change your avatar to blue if you really believe economics is all that matters.

Also, your economics are faulty. You're neglecting all the expenses an urban area requires. As it is Maryland has a good chunk of the D.C. suburbs which are net income generators as suburbs typically have less people needing services and more tax revenue per capita than urban areas.  That's without even considering all the extra expenses associated with hosting the Federal government.

Based purely on economics, if might make sense for Maryland to agree to a retrocession of the part of D.C. south of the Anacostia, but not all of D.C.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2020, 10:06:26 AM »

I'm surprised Maryland wouldn't want it, seems like it'd be an absolute cash cow for tax and tourism revenue.
Change your avatar to blue if you really believe economics is all that matters.

Also, your economics are faulty. You're neglecting all the expenses an urban area requires. As it is Maryland has a good chunk of the D.C. suburbs which are net income generators as suburbs typically have less people needing services and more tax revenue per capita than urban areas.  That's without even considering all the extra expenses associated with hosting the Federal government.

Based purely on economics, if might make sense for Maryland to agree to a retrocession of the part of D.C. south of the Anacostia, but not all of D.C.

Why south of the Anacostia? Isn't that the poorest part of D.C.?
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2020, 10:21:45 AM »

If Maryland doesn't want it then yes absolutely, the current situation can't stand
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2020, 01:13:47 PM »

I'm surprised Maryland wouldn't want it, seems like it'd be an absolute cash cow for tax and tourism revenue.
Change your avatar to blue if you really believe economics is all that matters.

Also, your economics are faulty. You're neglecting all the expenses an urban area requires. As it is Maryland has a good chunk of the D.C. suburbs which are net income generators as suburbs typically have less people needing services and more tax revenue per capita than urban areas.  That's without even considering all the extra expenses associated with hosting the Federal government.

Based purely on economics, if might make sense for Maryland to agree to a retrocession of the part of D.C. south of the Anacostia, but not all of D.C.

Why south of the Anacostia? Isn't that the poorest part of D.C.?

It's not Georgetown, but it is gentrifying and more importantly, doesn't have much in the way of Federal facilities that would be an economic drain. Also, the boundaries would be simple to define compared to trying to absorb just the best bordering bits of D.C., so it's the only even semi-realistic partial retrocession worth considering.

In any case, any partial retrocession of D.C. is even more of a fantasy than a complete retrocession.
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2020, 01:23:34 PM »

I'm surprised Maryland wouldn't want it, seems like it'd be an absolute cash cow for tax and tourism revenue.
Change your avatar to blue if you really believe economics is all that matters.

Also, your economics are faulty. You're neglecting all the expenses an urban area requires. As it is Maryland has a good chunk of the D.C. suburbs which are net income generators as suburbs typically have less people needing services and more tax revenue per capita than urban areas.  That's without even considering all the extra expenses associated with hosting the Federal government.

Based purely on economics, if might make sense for Maryland to agree to a retrocession of the part of D.C. south of the Anacostia, but not all of D.C.

Why south of the Anacostia? Isn't that the poorest part of D.C.?

It's not Georgetown, but it is gentrifying and more importantly, doesn't have much in the way of Federal facilities that would be an economic drain. Also, the boundaries would be simple to define compared to trying to absorb just the best bordering bits of D.C., so it's the only even semi-realistic partial retrocession worth considering.

In any case, any partial retrocession of D.C. is even more of a fantasy than a complete retrocession.

I don't think anybody has legitimately proposed a complete retrocession, as everybody (regardless of whether one supports retrocession or statehood) has seemingly proposed that a nominal federal district in & of itself would still need to be constituted, particularly around the White House, the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the Mall.
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2020, 02:41:15 PM »

Maryland most definitely wants that, and would never oppose DC statehood.

Where did this "MD opposes DC statehood" blasphemy come from?

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2020, 05:50:30 PM »

Maryland most definitely wants that, and would never oppose DC statehood.

Where did this "MD opposes DC statehood" blasphemy come from?



No one is saying that. We are discussing about the fact that Maryland opposes DC retrocession.
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