Do you think the Left has an anti-Semitism problem?
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All Along The Watchtower
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« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2020, 12:10:07 AM »

Kinda telling that this thread turned into reflexive defensiveness from some re:criticizing Israel.

If you really cared about Palestinians, you would target your ire at the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah and their paymasters and work on delegitimizing them. They, and other terrorist groups in the region and their international apologists, are more responsible than anyone else for the problems in Israel-Palestine and the continued suffering of Palestinians.
Hezbollah is a Lebanese Shia paramilitary organization and not even the Left likes Hamas. They get ample amount of criticism both within the Palestinian liberatio movement and outside of it, but they’re not relevant as something like the Israeli state which has international implications on barring at least a two state solution. Furthermore, we’re talking about that this argument always just stems from opposition to Israel.

The focus on Israel is pretty easy considering that is the honestly only attack used to say that the “Left is Antisemitic”. There’s virtually nothing else, given in part that the Left doesn’t exactly scapegoat and support the oppression of Jews or marginalized groups as often proponented by the right currently. So then, the question is why would opposing the actions of Israel be antisemitic? The answers are usually poor, and it’s honestly usually just a modified version of “Anti-Segregation is Anti White” or that the Left hates Jews like they hated white people in Southern Africa or whatever circular arguments there is. It’s a myth propagated by neocons and grifted further due to weird diaspora-like nationalism and focus on heritage like how Indian and Pakistani diaspora defend Modi or Imran Khan at every turn.

“weird diaspora-like nationalism” = Palestinians. Or should I say - Lebanese, or Syrians, or Egyptians, or “Jordanians”? Liberate Palestinians from the Hashemites, not Israel.

The simple fact is that a lot of people in the region don’t want to live near or among Jews.
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« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2020, 01:13:56 AM »

Is water wet? Denying it neither helps the left nor does it make combatting antisemitism easier.

Criticizing Israel is not automatically antisemitic, of course. But if you spend a disproportionate amount of your time online or in real life bashing Israel, as some on the left do, take a hard look in the mirror.
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« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2020, 04:37:44 AM »
« Edited: July 16, 2020, 04:41:44 AM by Parrotguy »

Yes, every ideological group does and the left often ignores it. also calling for the end of Israel is anti-semitic because leaving us without protection (no we don't trust non Jews to defend us forever) is the first step in killing us all off.

Not even gonna debate with anyone here, just presenting this fact and not walking into this thread again.
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« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2020, 08:29:18 AM »

The left in general? Unpopular opinion but no. There are some antisemitic elements on the left, just like there are on the right, but most conservatives and most leftists are not antisemitic.

Maybe you could claim that for the UK's Labour party, and even claiming that and applying it to the entire British left or the entire Labour party is a stretch
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