Do you think the Left has an anti-Semitism problem?

[All Along The Watchtower]

Yes.

[TML]

The main problem is that people in the center and/or right often conflate anti-Semitism with legitimate criticism of Israel and/or its government. What the left really wants is for Israel to treat non-Jews better, not for Israel to disappear completely; that is why they want aid to Israel to be reduced if they continue to mistreat non-Jews. They need to push back against the inaccurate framing of this position; Corbyn's main problem was that he failed to adequately push back against such accusations.

[Suburbia]

Yes, just like the right.

[PSOL]

The Anti-Semitic left, what exists of it, is pretty much just localized to some Nasserists in the Levant and North Africa. They have no relevance elsewhere. Even among the Palestinian Left, they say in official documents and rhetoric that they want a unified state where Jews and Palestinians can live together.

Any claim otherwise that is usually handed out is mostly against Anti-Zionists conflated with being anti-Semites using bad faith that somehow Anti-Zionism and a one-state solution means ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people from their homes, which couldn’t be further from the case.

[John Dule]

Yes. That said, criticizing Israel isn't Antisemitic.

[Suburbia]

Yes. That said, criticizing Israel isn't Antisemitic.

[PSOL]

Yes, it clearly does.

Criticism of Israel, of course, is not antisemitism. However, calling for the destruction of Israel is.

While there is a connection, calling for the end of Israel doesn’t mean you have an aversion or hatred of Jews anymore than calling for the end of South Africa or Rhodesia in the 1980’s is Anti-European/Anti-White.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes. It's not as big a problem as on the right, of course, but it's a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Yes, it clearly does.

Criticism of Israel, of course, is not antisemitism. However, calling for the destruction of Israel is.

While there is a connection, calling for the end of Israel doesn’t mean you have an aversion or hatred of Jews anymore than calling for the end of South Africa or Rhodesia in the 1980’s is Anti-European/Anti-White.

Mentioning South Africa and Rhodesia in this context is not helpful.

[PSOL]

Yes, it clearly does.

Criticism of Israel, of course, is not antisemitism. However, calling for the destruction of Israel is.

While there is a connection, calling for the end of Israel doesn’t mean you have an aversion or hatred of Jews anymore than calling for the end of South Africa or Rhodesia in the 1980’s is Anti-European/Anti-White.

Mentioning South Africa and Rhodesia in this context is not helpful.

Examples like Malaysia or the United States seems a bit tame in comparison, but yes, I think the shoe is of similar makes given the hostility of both institutions and society toward religious minorities and especially bantustanization of indigenous land both within and out of Israel’s recognized borders. Arabs aren’t even allowed to buy homes in areas where the majority of the population rejects the orders, something far more extreme than redlining here or elsewhere.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Yes, it clearly does.

Criticism of Israel, of course, is not antisemitism. However, calling for the destruction of Israel is.

While there is a connection, calling for the end of Israel doesn’t mean you have an aversion or hatred of Jews anymore than calling for the end of South Africa or Rhodesia in the 1980’s is Anti-European/Anti-White.

Mentioning South Africa and Rhodesia in this context is not helpful.

Examples like Malaysia or the United States seems a bit tame in comparison, but yes, I think the shoe is of similar makes given the hostility of both institutions and society toward religious minorities and especially bantustanization of indigenous land both within and out of Israel’s recognized borders. Arabs aren’t even allowed to buy homes in areas where the majority of the population rejects the orders, something far more extreme than redlining here or elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of_Israel#Dangers_of_delegitimization_to_peace
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-s-security-doctrine

[PSOL]

Yes, it clearly does.

Criticism of Israel, of course, is not antisemitism. However, calling for the destruction of Israel is.

While there is a connection, calling for the end of Israel doesn’t mean you have an aversion or hatred of Jews anymore than calling for the end of South Africa or Rhodesia in the 1980’s is Anti-European/Anti-White.

Mentioning South Africa and Rhodesia in this context is not helpful.

Examples like Malaysia or the United States seems a bit tame in comparison, but yes, I think the shoe is of similar makes given the hostility of both institutions and society toward religious minorities and especially bantustanization of indigenous land both within and out of Israel’s recognized borders. Arabs aren’t even allowed to buy homes in areas where the majority of the population rejects the orders, something far more extreme than redlining here or elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of_Israel#Dangers_of_delegitimization_to_peace
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-s-security-doctrine

This means completely nothing. Israel is not representative of all Jewish people, and opposition to it is not based around aversion, hatred, or stereotypes around Jews in Left circles, nor is it even based against Israelis in this way. It is based purely on the actions of the state.

[All Along The Watchtower]

This means completely nothing.

It actually means quite a bit.

Israel is not representative of all Jewish people, and opposition to it is not based around aversion, hatred, or stereotypes around Jews in Left circles, nor is it even based against Israelis in this way.

I think you'll find the bolded to be not so absolute.

It is based purely on the actions of the state.

If by "actions" you mean "existence" then sure.

[PSOL]

This means completely nothing.

It actually means quite a bit.

Israel is not representative of all Jewish people, and opposition to it is not based around aversion, hatred, or stereotypes around Jews in Left circles, nor is it even based against Israelis in this way.

I think you'll find the bolded to be not so absolute.

It is based purely on the actions of the state.

If by "actions" you mean "existence" then sure.

Actions are connected to how it’s currently run and exists as a hierarchal Jewish Ethnostate firstly, yes. And that state has rapidly collapsed in the norms of other liberal democracies in its internal and external apparatuses to keep the status quo that is actually harming the Jewish people, as the Afrikaner-dominated White Ethnostate in the previous South African government held a chokehold on the White population.

Say that for a moment Israel in fact ceases to exist. There exists no wills of the vast majority of legitimate various secular groups to ethnically cleanse Jews out of there homes; due to the objectives of most groups: achievement of the end of such oppression against Palestinians and capital, both human and not, possessed under one state. Such examples are why the argument that what occurred in South Africa was anti-white or Afrikaner are unfounded, the return to democracy and the period following was a boom in wealth creation for the majority of European-descended African citizens that stayed around.

All this is meaningless, of course. The fact is that Israel is currently oppressing and robbing twenty million Arabs of truly existing and thriving under a homeland they also claim, and treat the various other non-Jewish groups quite poorly. That, and the fact that Israel is a bad-state actor since the Cold War, is the root of why there is opposition to Israel, no more and no less.

If you or anyone else can cite a good piece of documentation that there is a problem of aversion, assumptions, and dislike of Jewish people that are present in these circles or that they use Israel as a tool to attack Jewish people, you win this argument. But no, there is a vast understanding and documentation that criticism, no matter how far or to what ends, against Israel is very, very rarely used to attack Jews in most circles within the region and out.

[AtorBoltox]

There is definitely a large amount of antisemitism among tankies and other assorted 'anti-imperialists' AKA the worldview of people like Jeremy Corbyn. These people are extremely vocal online but fortunately their actual real world influence is limited.

[Former President tack50]

The left in general? Unpopular opinion but no. There are some antisemitic elements on the left, just like there are on the right, but most conservatives and most leftists are not antisemitic.

Maybe you could claim that for the UK's Labour party, and even claiming that and applying it to the entire British left or the entire Labour party is a stretch

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Jean-Luc Mélenchon has just gone off on a rant about Christ-killing Jews live on national television.

[TDAS04]

Yeah, anti-Semitism is a problem with a lot of people, including many normally progressive-minded people who should know better.

While it certainly isn’t anti-Semitic to criticize Israel’s government over the treatment of Palestinians (I wish there would be a two-state solution), anti-Zionists are at least very insensitive to the Holocaust and other atrocities the Jewish people have experienced over millennia, and fail to understand the need for Jews to have their own country.

[Horus]

No. Next question.

[RI]

Yes, and it exists even if you disregard anything to do with Israel itself.

[HisGrace]

No because racism= Privilege+Power+Disagreeing with me politically

[PSOL]

Yeah, anti-Semitism is a problem with a lot of people, including many normally progressive-minded people who should know better.

While it certainly isn’t anti-Semitic to criticize Israel’s government over the treatment of Palestinians (I wish there would be a two-state solution), anti-Zionists are at least very insensitive to the Holocaust and other atrocities the Jewish people have experienced over millennia, and fail to understand the need for Jews to have their own country.

What? Most left wing circles absolutely want to prevent another genocide of that scale and have been on the frontlines being those who disagree with Holocaust denial and protection of fascistic movements by the institutions worldwide.

Also, most on the left don’t disagree that there should be a Jewish homeland, just that the homeland shouldn’t be an undemocratic, bad-acting ethnostate in such a diverse region.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Jean-Luc Mélenchon has just gone off on a rant about Christ-killing Jews live on national television.

Zionist smears! How dare you weaponize charges of anti-Semitism against the Left!

[TDAS04]

Yeah, anti-Semitism is a problem with a lot of people, including many normally progressive-minded people who should know better.

While it certainly isn’t anti-Semitic to criticize Israel’s government over the treatment of Palestinians (I wish there would be a two-state solution), anti-Zionists are at least very insensitive to the Holocaust and other atrocities the Jewish people have experienced over millennia, and fail to understand the need for Jews to have their own country.

What? Most left wing circles absolutely want to prevent another genocide of that scale and have been on the frontlines being those who disagree with Holocaust denial and protection of fascistic movements by the institutions worldwide.

Also, most on the left don’t disagree that there should be a Jewish homeland, just that the homeland shouldn’t be an undemocratic, bad-acting ethnostate in such a diverse region.

No, maybe not most, but there are people (on both the left and the right) who believe that Israel shouldn't exist in the Mideast.  Many of those people are not necessarily holocaust-deniers or Jew-haters (though some are) but if they're not anti-Semitic, they are insensitive because they don't understand that Jews should have a homeland as a security against persecution.  

[All Along The Watchtower]

Yeah, anti-Semitism is a problem with a lot of people, including many normally progressive-minded people who should know better.

While it certainly isn’t anti-Semitic to criticize Israel’s government over the treatment of Palestinians (I wish there would be a two-state solution), anti-Zionists are at least very insensitive to the Holocaust and other atrocities the Jewish people have experienced over millennia, and fail to understand the need for Jews to have their own country.

What? Most left wing circles absolutely want to prevent another genocide of that scale and have been on the frontlines being those who disagree with Holocaust denial and protection of fascistic movements by the institutions worldwide.

Also, most on the left don’t disagree that there should be a Jewish homeland, just that the homeland shouldn’t be an undemocratic, bad-acting ethnostate in such a diverse region.

Well then it’s a nice silver lining that there are so many good-acting democracies in the Middle East!