Ruth Bader Ginsburg hospitalized for possible infection

[R.P. McM]

The single most selfish figure in American politics.

Yep. Feminists tried to lionize her, convince her she was indispensable. Well, that's just a joke — on the short list of all-time great SCOTUS justices, she doesn't make the cut. Sorry. No, her seat is far more important than her individual contributions, and she may yet squander it, sadly.

[NerdyBohemian]

Would Mitch breaking his rule and replacing her be the final straw for Dems in regards to court packing?

It should, but I doubt Joe would go through with it.

Moderate Dems like Manchin and Sinema might not be ok with that.  At the very least, that opens the door to republicans doing the same.  Also, that could undermine the legitimacy of the court.  What if states refuse to enforce descisions because they call it a partisan tool?  SCOTUS is just a few people with robes, so easy to make it powerless.  They don't have the power of the purse or military.

If it becomes a game of adding to the number of justices whenever the presidency switches parties, Americans will get fed up and demand a constitutional amendment that explicitly states the procedures of nominating and replacing Supreme Court justices as well as the amount of judges that can sit on the court.

[LabourJersey]

The fact that this is national news proves how misguided lifetime judicial appointments are.

Obviously it's intensified since in this country our Supreme Court acts as a super-legislature.

But half the time it feels like a Soviet-era Council of Elders, full of aging members that may at any time completely shatter the balance of power.

Anyway we need set terms for justices, or at an utter minimum a retirement age of 75 or 80

[Person Man]

If she survives until Jan 2021 and Biden is Prez, she will have to retire

If Trump wins its Barrett and overturn of Roe for sure

A few health issues don't seem to be affecting her too much and most of the panic here (and elsewhere on the internet) is overblown. She is very healthy for her age considering her preexisting conditions and mortality tables, I could definitely see her lasting another four years if she really needed to (though I expect to resign by 2022 for partisan reasons, even if she remains fit to serve).

Then again, it really depends on how 2020 goes. If Trump not only comes back but gains in the senate, it might put Democrats out of striking range there and then she would have to last until 2024 but at this point, I am not too concerned about Republicans gaining in in the senate or taking back the house. Best case scenario for them is that somehow McSally and James are pulled across the finish line in a 2016-style upset and maybe gain most, but not all the seats they need in the House. If anything, I think Ginsburg should be able to retire by January of 2023.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/Jordan_S_Rubin/status/1284156881729204225

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RBG should have retired in 2013 or 2014.

[Horus]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

[Greedo punched first]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

Inside sources widely believe that Kennedy didn't retire under Obama because he wanted to be replaced by a Republican. Kennedy supports Trump.

[Suburbia]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

You can't say that, the Clintons saved the Democratic Party in the 1990s from electoral irrelevance, Harkin or Tsongas couldn't have beaten Bush.

Explain.

[President Johnson]

RBG should have retired in 2013 or 2014.

Yeah, I've said this in every thread since 2017 that had her hospitalized or with other health issues. Hopefully she can go into retirement early next year when Joe Biden is risiding in the White House.

[Horus]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

You can't say that, the Clintons saved the Democratic Party in the 1990s from electoral irrelevance, Harkin or Tsongas couldn't have beaten Bush.

Explain.

Democrats weren't electorally irrelevant until 1994.

[Suburbia]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

You can't say that, the Clintons saved the Democratic Party in the 1990s from electoral irrelevance, Harkin or Tsongas couldn't have beaten Bush.

Explain.

Democrats weren't electorally irrelevant until 1994.

You think they still are 26 years later, after Gore, Obama and the 2018 midterms?

[President Johnson]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

You can't say that, the Clintons saved the Democratic Party in the 1990s from electoral irrelevance, Harkin or Tsongas couldn't have beaten Bush.

Explain.

Democrats weren't electorally irrelevant until 1994.

Not even in 1995, lmao.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

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[WD]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

You can't say that, the Clintons saved the Democratic Party in the 1990s from electoral irrelevance, Harkin or Tsongas couldn't have beaten Bush.

Explain.

Democrats weren't electorally irrelevant until 1994.

What? How?

[Horus]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

You can't say that, the Clintons saved the Democratic Party in the 1990s from electoral irrelevance, Harkin or Tsongas couldn't have beaten Bush.

Explain.

Democrats weren't electorally irrelevant until 1994.

What? How?

Midterms...

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Jfc.

It is maybe in bad taste to ask, but what is the latest possible date “something could happen” that would give the GOP adequate time to confirm a new justice before everything changes over in January?

[Horus]

Clinton governed as a center right president from 1994 on.

[lfromnj]

Jfc.

It is maybe in bad taste to ask, but what is the latest possible date “something could happen” that would give the GOP adequate time to confirm a new justice before everything changes over in January?

Mitch will call everyone on Christmas night.

[brucejoel99]

Jfc.

It is maybe in bad taste to ask, but what is the latest possible date “something could happen” that would give the GOP adequate time to confirm a new justice before everything changes over in January?

According to the Senate's legislative calendar for the rest of the year, they'll only be in session for a total of 24 days between Election Day & the swearing-in of the new Senate on January 3rd, because a lot of that in-between time is spent on recess (with the Senators going back home) for the Thanksgiving & Christmas holiday seasons.

Now, for a little bit of scale, the Kavanaugh nomination (pre-scandal) was expected to take a total of 90 days between Kennedy's retirement announcement & Kavanaugh's confirmation; before that, the Gorsuch nomination took 66 days between nomination & confirmation, & back in 2010 & 2009, the Kagan/Sotomayor nominations took 118 & 98 days, respectively, between their predecessors' retirements & their confirmations.

Given all of this information & understanding just how long the nitty-gritty of a Supreme Court nomination generally takes (e.g., shortening the long-list of potential nominees, vetting, background checks, interviews; & then, once a nominee is picked, meeting with Senators, committee hearings & all of the preparation (including those long ass-questionnaires) that entails, committee debate & voting, Senate debate & - finally - voting, & none of that even takes into consideration the possibility of a scandal arising), I'd be confident in saying that if we don't see a Justice announce their retirement &/or pass away by mid-October at the latest, then I'd have to presume that the Senate which takes office on January 3rd & the President inaugurated on January 20th will be the ones whom this potential nomination comes down to, for reasons of logistical efficiency if nothing else.

Of course, this assumes that the current Senate would still feel a need to do its due diligence & actually hold committee hearings & a debate & a roll-call vote. But if it looks like the writing's on the wall that the public wouldn't stand for that, then it's safe to presume that skipping all of that would be unlikely to happen.

[SnowLabrador]

If she dies at or before 11 AM on January 3, 2021, her replacement will be a Republican.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Jfc.

It is maybe in bad taste to ask, but what is the latest possible date “something could happen” that would give the GOP adequate time to confirm a new justice before everything changes over in January?

According to the Senate's legislative calendar for the rest of the year, they'll only be in session for a total of 24 days between Election Day & the swearing-in of the new Senate on January 3rd, because a lot of that in-between time is spent on recess (with the Senators going back home) for the Thanksgiving & Christmas holiday seasons.

Now, for a little bit of scale, the Kavanaugh nomination (pre-scandal) was expected to take a total of 90 days between Kennedy's retirement announcement & Kavanaugh's confirmation; before that, the Gorsuch nomination took 66 days between nomination & confirmation, & back in 2010 & 2009, the Kagan/Sotomayor nominations took 118 & 98 days, respectively, between their predecessors' retirements & their confirmations.

Given all of this information & understanding just how long the nitty-gritty of a Supreme Court nomination generally takes (e.g., shortening the long-list of potential nominees, vetting, background checks, interviews; & then, once a nominee is picked, meeting with Senators, committee hearings & all of the preparation (including those long ass-questionnaires) that entails, committee debate & voting, Senate debate & - finally - voting, & none of that even takes into consideration the possibility of a scandal arising), I'd be confident in saying that if we don't see a Justice announce their retirement &/or pass away by mid-October at the latest, then I'd have to presume that the Senate which takes office on January 3rd & the President inaugurated on January 20th will be the ones whom this potential nomination comes down to, for reasons of logistical efficiency if nothing else.

Of course, this assumes that the current Senate would still feel a need to do its due diligence & actually hold committee hearings & a debate & a roll-call vote. But if it looks like the writing's on the wall that the public wouldn't stand for that, then it's safe to presume that skipping all of that would be unlikely to happen.

Trump & Republicans already know who they want to replace RBG with and that person is Amy Coney Barrett.

Mitch would move expeditiously to hold a vote on Barrett, if "something were to happen" to RBG before November.

[Suburbia]

Clinton governed as a center right president from 1994 on.

I would as well if I was in the circumstances of the mid 1990s, he had to negotiate with Gingrich and Lott to get anything done in that place, but Clinton's economy was better than Obama and Trump's, period.

[Alben Barkley]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.