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« on: October 31, 2020, 08:31:00 AM »

Any examples come to mind?
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2020, 08:22:45 PM »

Policy I agree with: Marijuana legalization.
Argument I disagree with: "People should have the right to do it"

I mostly just want to stop putting people in prison for it. I couldn't care less about the freedom to use it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2020, 08:35:20 PM »

Policy I agree with: pro-choice position on abortion
Argument I disagree with:  “ There are absolutely no moral issues with abortion.  A woman can abort her fetus for any reason, and if you question it, you’re a horrible person.”

Policy I agree with: No racial preferences for college admissions
Stupid argument:  “There is no racial discrimination anymore.”  “White men are now helpless victims.”

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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2020, 02:08:28 AM »

Policy I agree with: Marijuana legalization.
Argument I disagree with: "People should have the right to do it"

I mostly just want to stop putting people in prison for it. I couldn't care less about the freedom to use it.
Huh weird. I'm the opposite. Obviously I don't want to put people in jail for it but my core philosophy is government (or any other authority) shouldn't really restrict peoples freedom to do what they want. That goes for drugs, guns, protests, anything like that.

So that's again why I'm not a huge fan of the pro gun crowd even though I'm not a big fan of gun control or weapons bans. They usually use arguments like "good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun" or they have a sign like "no trespassing violators will be shot survivors will be shot again". Shockingly, those same people tend to jump for the "HE HAD A GUN" arguments when justifying police killings. Funny isn't it? I'd rather just protect the right to bear arms because I think people should, again, be able to own what they want without having their freedom infringed upon. It's not too complicated but gun activists try and use different arguments (like crime) to play into the naturally authoritarian mindset that a majority of people, especially a majority of conservatives, have.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2020, 07:48:56 AM »

The "you just hate women/want to control their bodies" sh**t from fellow pro-choicers
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2020, 03:59:20 PM »

It's not the exact thing the OP asks for, but it's kinda related.

I tend to be most bothered by people who are able to see the light on one issue or two, but are unable to apply that to every other issue, rather than by those who are completely incompatible with my ideology.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2020, 05:45:17 AM »

As someone who broadly prefers the Canadian healthcare system to the American one, and would prefer to see American healthcare move in a Canadian direction, I find a lot of arguments based on the superiority of the Canadian system pretty ignorant, particularly the assertion that unlike Americans, Canadians never have to go without healthcare. Canadians go without healthcare all the time. It's just that the mix of people going without healthcare (mostly people with chronic conditions and painful but non-life threatening issues) is different than America.

There are some very serious trade offs and issues with single payer systems like Canada and the UK, but I find the pro-single payer side doesn't seem interested in addressing them, or in many cases, even aware of them at all.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2020, 05:48:07 AM »

- That people who don’t share my views are stupid.

- “Whataboutist” arguements.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2020, 07:42:17 AM »

Green New Deal.

-> It is simply not possible to supply the whole US with renewable energy sources only while simultaneously abandoning coal, gas and nuclear power. Base load is not possible with volatile energy sources, and the currently developed forms of energy storage is either totally inefficient for large scales (batteries) or has severe impact on ecosystems (pumped-storage hydro power). Even the IPCC calculations show that in order to reach the 1.5 °C goal, energy generated by nuclear power has to be either remain steady or increase. I cannot support the Green New Deal in its form where the most efficient carbon-free energy source is excluded, but if the choice was between this and no climate legislation, I would rather choose the GND.

-> "MUH SOCIALISM THEY TAKE AWAY JOOOOOBS TRUMP DIGS COAL !!!!!"
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2020, 09:27:22 AM »

I would be banned if I posted my list.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2020, 06:37:05 PM »

I support legalizing marijuana, but I don’t think private prisons are what stands in the way of that goal.

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2020, 07:36:14 PM »

As someone who broadly prefers the Canadian healthcare system to the American one, and would prefer to see American healthcare move in a Canadian direction, I find a lot of arguments based on the superiority of the Canadian system pretty ignorant, particularly the assertion that unlike Americans, Canadians never have to go without healthcare. Canadians go without healthcare all the time. It's just that the mix of people going without healthcare (mostly people with chronic conditions and painful but non-life threatening issues) is different than America.

There are some very serious trade offs and issues with single payer systems like Canada and the UK, but I find the pro-single payer side doesn't seem interested in addressing them, or in many cases, even aware of them at all.

Is there a reason people with chronic conditions tend to have to go without healthcare in Canada?
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2020, 08:22:31 PM »

As someone who broadly prefers the Canadian healthcare system to the American one, and would prefer to see American healthcare move in a Canadian direction, I find a lot of arguments based on the superiority of the Canadian system pretty ignorant, particularly the assertion that unlike Americans, Canadians never have to go without healthcare. Canadians go without healthcare all the time. It's just that the mix of people going without healthcare (mostly people with chronic conditions and painful but non-life threatening issues) is different than America.

There are some very serious trade offs and issues with single payer systems like Canada and the UK, but I find the pro-single payer side doesn't seem interested in addressing them, or in many cases, even aware of them at all.

Is there a reason people with chronic conditions tend to have to go without healthcare in Canada?

I assume he's talking about rationing for things like hips and knees, MRIs, insane (by American standards) wait times for specialists, etc., which is necessary to keep even a semblance of fiscal control over healthcare expenditures in a single-payer system. The government isn't Santa Claus. Things have to be paid for with real (tax) money, and you can never make everyone completely happy, unlike what Bernie Sanders would like people to believe.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2020, 08:29:47 PM »

Funny that the government suddenly becomes Santa Claus when it wants to “spread democracy” and wage a war on drugs.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2020, 08:42:35 PM »

As someone who broadly prefers the Canadian healthcare system to the American one, and would prefer to see American healthcare move in a Canadian direction, I find a lot of arguments based on the superiority of the Canadian system pretty ignorant, particularly the assertion that unlike Americans, Canadians never have to go without healthcare. Canadians go without healthcare all the time. It's just that the mix of people going without healthcare (mostly people with chronic conditions and painful but non-life threatening issues) is different than America.

There are some very serious trade offs and issues with single payer systems like Canada and the UK, but I find the pro-single payer side doesn't seem interested in addressing them, or in many cases, even aware of them at all.

Is there a reason people with chronic conditions tend to have to go without healthcare in Canada?

There are shortages of healthcare either due to lack of personnel in a given area or lack of funds. This forces the available personnel to ration their resources, which means focusing on acute and/or life threatening conditions.

E.g. There's a shortage of orthopedic surgeons in Nova Scotia. They do knee replacements but those go on the backburner as doing without a knee replacement, while very painful, won't kill you. Consequently, it takes about two years to get a knee replaced in my province.
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2020, 10:30:57 PM »

The "you just hate women/want to control their bodies" sh**t from fellow pro-choicers

You took the words right out of my mouth.
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