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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2020, 12:55:54 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2020, 01:03:49 PM »

UT-Tyler Poll2018 Texas Exit Poll 2016 Texas Exit Poll
Democrat38%34%29%
Independent22%27%33%
Republican39%39%38%
Liberal31%22%20%
Moderate28%35%36%
Conservative38%43%44%

Maybe this poll is bit skewed towards liberals and Dems, but nonetheless these are bad looking numbers for Trump
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2020, 01:32:42 PM »

I think there's a real possibility that the case surges are what may be handing Florida, Georgia, Texas, Arizona to Biden.

We may very well see all of the shifting southern states flip at once. Certainly didn't expect that.

I absolutely think this take hasn't gotten much thought around here when it should.

I've been thinking this since Abbott & Ducey have tried to take credit for implementing mask orders while overturning cities for issuing them months ago. At that point, the vote becomes personal
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2020, 02:32:14 PM »

I guess the question then is if the numbers will revert back when the active cases go down.
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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2020, 02:39:30 PM »

Its a pretty badly sampled poll looking at the ideological crosstabs but its clear currently the race in Texas is between a couple points in either direction which is disastrous news for Trump
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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2020, 03:00:55 PM »

I love it! I wouldn't put too much stock into this poll, especially having Trump at just 41%. One way or the other, Texas is a swing state now. It was supposed to become one in 2024 or 2028, but Trump makes sure we're a few years early. My prediction right now is that he will hold on by anywhere between three and five points.
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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2020, 04:10:12 PM »


i always like to add a little Worcester sauce, myself

Add an egg and some pesto into your ground beef next time. Mind blowing.
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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2020, 04:14:23 PM »
« Edited: July 12, 2020, 04:17:45 PM by woodley park »

I guess the question then is if the numbers will revert back when the active cases go down.

"Yeah summer 2020 was a pretty rough time. I lost my job because of COVID-induced economic chaos, my grandfather died from COVID, and my neighbor got saddled with thousands of dollars in medical bills from her COVID-induced hospital stay. But thankfully this was just another Trump scandal that I'll be able to forget about come next week, when I can tell pollsters I'm back to approving Donald Trump's performance as president."

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« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2020, 04:20:58 PM »

Once the Rs lose the Sunbelt permanently, they will become a Rocky Mountain state only and KY, MS, OK, MS. AR, WVA, LA IN and TN party




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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2020, 05:42:38 PM »

I guess the question then is if the numbers will revert back when the active cases go down.

"Yeah summer 2020 was a pretty rough time. I lost my job because of COVID-induced economic chaos, my grandfather died from COVID, and my neighbor got saddled with thousands of dollars in medical bills from her COVID-induced hospital stay. But thankfully this was just another Trump scandal that I'll be able to forget about come next week, when I can tell pollsters I'm back to approving Donald Trump's performance as president."

I was being serious. We don't even know for sure if the bump is related to the cases, much less if it will hold 4 months from now.
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« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2020, 06:17:00 PM »

I think there's a real possibility that the case surges are what may be handing Florida, Georgia, Texas, Arizona to Biden.

We may very well see all of the shifting southern states flip at once. Certainly didn't expect that.

I absolutely think this take hasn't gotten much thought around here when it should.

I've been thinking this since Abbott & Ducey have tried to take credit for implementing mask orders while overturning cities for issuing them months ago. At that point, the vote becomes personal

Abbott and Ducey have completely botched their responses to the pandemic, and their states are now suffering from it. I wouldn't be surprised if Abbott's approvals are taking a major hit now because of the recent surge. We already know from recent polls that Ducey's response to coronavirus is disapproved of by more than 60% of Arizona voters and that his overall approval ratings have declined. Anyone who doesn't think that this is also undermining Trump's electoral position in these states would be mistaken.
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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2020, 06:21:10 PM »

While this still looks a little too positive for Biden, it still backs up why I have softened a bit on my previous insistence that Texas is impossible to flip. Trump being down here at all, leading in the single digits, or tied is in no way a good sign for him.

However, I do still insist that the Senate election was always out of reach. And I think that would have been true if O'Rourke ran in Hegar's place too. Democrats can flip the Senate without Texas, we're lucky to have Bollier (potentially) and Bullock instead.
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« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2020, 06:23:33 PM »

The problem isnt that loved ones arent only dying, their loved ones cant visit and monitor their sick loved ones to see if they are well taken care of.

But, neglect for the sick have always been a problem
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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2020, 07:08:32 PM »

UT-Tyler Poll2018 Texas Exit Poll 2016 Texas Exit Poll
Democrat38%34%29%
Independent22%27%33%
Republican39%39%38%
Liberal31%22%20%
Moderate28%35%36%
Conservative38%43%44%

Maybe this poll is bit skewed towards liberals and Dems, but nonetheless these are bad looking numbers for Trump
Yeah, even considering the seismic and Democrat friendly demographic changes Texas is undergoing, such as about a thousand people moving to Austin every DAY now, this is still not an accurate reflection of what the 2020 Texas electorate is going to look like.

Good catch, BTW.
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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2020, 08:08:56 PM »

I guess the question then is if the numbers will revert back when the active cases go down.

"Yeah summer 2020 was a pretty rough time. I lost my job because of COVID-induced economic chaos, my grandfather died from COVID, and my neighbor got saddled with thousands of dollars in medical bills from her COVID-induced hospital stay. But thankfully this was just another Trump scandal that I'll be able to forget about come next week, when I can tell pollsters I'm back to approving Donald Trump's performance as president."

I was being serious. We don't even know for sure if the bump is related to the cases, much less if it will hold 4 months from now.

Obviously I was being sarcastic, but I'm also being serious in that I think there is a strong possibility that Biden's success in Texas is preclisely because of the Trump administration's horrendous response to COVID-19, in Texas and elsewhere across the country. Since said incompetent response is something that directly impacts millions of people, unlike every other (legitimate) crisis in this administration, like the Russia investigation, the Stone pardon, the locked up migrant children, the response to Hurricane Maria, and the 'many sides' of Charlottesville, etc., I don't expect it to just fade with the news cycle.
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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2020, 08:12:22 PM »
« Edited: July 12, 2020, 08:21:40 PM by Monstro »

UT-Tyler Poll2018 Texas Exit Poll 2016 Texas Exit Poll
Democrat38%34%29%
Independent22%27%33%
Republican39%39%38%
Liberal31%22%20%
Moderate28%35%36%
Conservative38%43%44%

Maybe this poll is bit skewed towards liberals and Dems, but nonetheless these are bad looking numbers for Trump

I got bored and adjusted the crosstab numbers/percentages to fit the exit polls. And unless I messed up somewhere in my math, still not looking good for Trump.

                 2018       2016
Biden          45%        43%
Trump         41%        41%
Undecided    9%         10%
Other           5%          5%


Seems like the Texas result is gonna be heavily dependent on how Independents shift from now until November. But if Trump wins, I don't expect him to do any better than Cruz in 2018
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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2020, 10:46:23 PM »

The thing that you have to realize is that Texas polling is very inaccurate right now due to the pandemic.

A lot of people are not answering their phones because contact tracers keep calling everyone to try to tell them they may be infected with the virus. Nobody wants to hear that, and the people who want to hear that least of all are Republicans Trump supporters who believe that the virus is a hoax. Why waste your time talking to a contact tracer for a host virus?

So for this reason there are a lot fewer Trump supporters responding to polls at the moment than usual. So this poll is probably about 10 points too favorable for Biden, which means Trump is up by 5.

So Texas is safe Republican.
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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2020, 10:48:36 PM »

UT-Tyler Poll2018 Texas Exit Poll 2016 Texas Exit Poll
Democrat38%34%29%
Independent22%27%33%
Republican39%39%38%
Liberal31%22%20%
Moderate28%35%36%
Conservative38%43%44%

Maybe this poll is bit skewed towards liberals and Dems, but nonetheless these are bad looking numbers for Trump

This just goes to prove my point. Conservatives are not talking to pollsters because someone calling from an unknown number on the phone may be a contact tracer. Only liberals and Democrats are answering their phones in Texas currently, because they love contact tracing.

So this is really a junk poll and should be thrown out.
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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2020, 10:51:23 PM »

"Yeah summer 2020 was a pretty rough time. I lost my job because of COVID-induced economic chaos, my grandfather died from COVID, and my neighbor got saddled with thousands of dollars in medical bills from her COVID-induced hospital stay. But thankfully this was just another Trump scandal that I'll be able to forget about come next week, when I can tell pollsters I'm back to approving Donald Trump's performance as president."

Death is just a state of mind. And once it is out of sight, it will be out of mind, because you know what they say - "out of sight, out of mind."

So Greg Abbott will just have the Texas state government stop recording the deaths and it will all go away and disappear, along with stopping testing. Can we please slow down the testing, no more tests.
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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2020, 11:05:55 PM »

Man, how easy it is for many to forget that there were dozens of TX polls showing the state as a pure Tossup even before COVID-19. Yes, the response to the pandemic has made things even worse for Trump, but people are really underestimating how static the state of this race has been since 2017.
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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2020, 11:16:18 PM »

Uni Poll... still wouldn't be surprised to see Biden up a couple points in the LVs, plus larger numbers amongst the RVs.
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« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2020, 11:16:54 PM »

The thing that you have to realize is that Texas polling is very inaccurate right now due to the pandemic.

Polls can be done remotely. So no pandemic issue here.
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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2020, 01:09:16 AM »

I doubt Biden wins by 5, but if he does, I think Cornyn is in serious trouble and any house seat that was Cruz +5 or less flips(yes, that includes TX-25)
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2020, 02:02:29 AM »

The thing that you have to realize is that Texas polling is very inaccurate right now due to the pandemic.

A lot of people are not answering their phones because contact tracers keep calling everyone to try to tell them they may be infected with the virus. Nobody wants to hear that, and the people who want to hear that least of all are Republicans Trump supporters who believe that the virus is a hoax. Why waste your time talking to a contact tracer for a host virus?

So for this reason there are a lot fewer Trump supporters responding to polls at the moment than usual. So this poll is probably about 10 points too favorable for Biden, which means Trump is up by 5.

So Texas is safe Republican.

5 points up is lean, not safe.
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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2020, 02:06:12 AM »

The thing that you have to realize is that Texas polling is very inaccurate right now due to the pandemic.

A lot of people are not answering their phones because contact tracers keep calling everyone to try to tell them they may be infected with the virus. Nobody wants to hear that, and the people who want to hear that least of all are Republicans Trump supporters who believe that the virus is a hoax. Why waste your time talking to a contact tracer for a host virus?

So for this reason there are a lot fewer Trump supporters responding to polls at the moment than usual. So this poll is probably about 10 points too favorable for Biden, which means Trump is up by 5.

So Texas is safe Republican.

This is one of the dumbest things my drunk ass has ever read
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