Feds denies funds for Minneapolis rebuild

[Fuzzy Bear]

https://www.startribune.com/feds-deny-walz-s-request-for-aid-to-rebuild-after-riots/571715162/

Im guessing Trump wants to punish the city despite the fact most are innocent.

Tom Emmer himself wrote to Trump to ask him to deny the aid.

Why should the fed give Minneapolis funds? Make the leftists pay for that sht

This is a fair point.  I don't agree with it, but this is a fair point. 

I don't wish to punish the citizens of Minneapolis, as most are not responsible for this.  But the damage occurred to the extent that it did because the Governor of MN (Tim Walz) and the Mayor of Minneapolis (Jacob Frey) ordered Police to stand down and deliberately did not take the sort of enforcement measures to contain the rioting, looting, arson, false imprisonment, battery and intimidation of persons, and other criminal activities of Marxist Mobs.  Indeed, as Mob Activity raged on, the Minneapolis City Council actively sought to placate the mob, voting to actually abolish the Minneapolis PD.  Gov. Walz could have sent in the National Guard, but he essentially did not until it was too late.  Political Leadership allowed a police precinct to be occupied while they publicly spoke of abolishing the only Department Minneapolis has to enforce the laws. 

If we are going to rebuild (with Federal monies) cities that have been destroyed by the rioting, arson, and looting done by Marxist BLM and Marxist Antifa, there ought to be preconditions to that aid:

^^^Aid needs to be predicated on the premise that the damage done is the sole fault of the rioters. 
       These riots need to be blamed squarely on the riots themselves.  There must be NO rhetorical
       concessions whatsoever regarding George Floyd, police brutality, "systemic racism" etc.  These
       riots were not about any of that, and this is crystal clear in hindsight.  The mistake of the Kerner
       Commission was to place the blame for the 1967 riots on "everyone but the rioters themselves". 
       If rebuilding these cities is to be on the taxpayer's dime, that mistake must not be repeated. 
       The rioters and the rioters alone are to blame; this must be a precondition to any aid.

^^^A National Commission needs to be empaneled to point out the failure of the Minneapolis City
       Government and of Gov. Walz to maintain order in the face of Marxist Mobs, looters and vandals.
       The manner in which Gov. Walz, Mayor Frey, et al, abandoned their primary duty to provide for
       the public order needs to be examined, documented, ,and explained to the people.  There needs
       to be a clear presentation of how and why law enforcement was ordered to stand down, as well
       as an objective look as what would have likely happened if law enforcement, or the National
       Guard had provided the response necessary to quell disturbances from the outset.

^^^No aid whatsoever shall go to any city that seeks to cut back its police force in the least.  These
       riots were extensive, they were anything but peaceful, they were traumatic to law-abiding,
       taxpaying citizens.  Most importantly, these riots in these cities demonstrate a need for MORE
       policing, and not less. 

^^^No aid will be given to rebuild cities where states have abolished cash bail.  This was an insane
       idea that has repeatedly compromised the safety of law-abiding citizens.  If states wish to
       abolish cash bail, they can rebuild on their own dimes.  If not, taxpayers need to be assured that
       governments have the will and the ability to ensure that dangerous suspects are held and that all
       suspects have the proper motivation to show for trial.

^^^No monies shall be expended for replacement statues and monuments.  Non-confederate
       monuments torn down may be restored and replaced.  New monuments shall be at the expense
       of the Municipality. 

^^^No monies shall be expended to rebuild municipalities where its prosecutors refuse to proceed
       with prosecutions of those who committed crimes while rioting, or whose Governors have
       granted blanket amnesties to rioting activities.

Minneapolis, Seattle, New York, and any number of other cities conducted themselves irresponsibly.  They failed to defend the persons and property of law-abiding citizens.  Even moreso, many of their local leaders appear to actively sympathize with the rioters.  This is what it is, but taxpayers in cities whose leaders DID contain violence where rioting was prevented, or promptly addressed, deserve assurances that the elected leaders in these municipalities will not allow this disorder to happen again without a full response.  Local governments and state governments in numerous states have executed an Epic Fail in protecting its citizens.  Rebuilding ought to come with many strings attached, and with no concessions to the anti-American Woke Contingent who bear great responsibility for the current destruction.

[Fuzzy Bear]

https://www.startribune.com/feds-deny-walz-s-request-for-aid-to-rebuild-after-riots/571715162/

Im guessing Trump wants to punish the city despite the fact most are innocent.

Tom Emmer himself wrote to Trump to ask him to deny the aid.

Why should the fed give Minneapolis funds? Make the leftists pay for that sht

This is a fair point.  I don't agree with it, but this is a fair point.  

I don't wish to punish the citizens of Minneapolis, as most are not responsible for this.  But the damage occurred to the extent that it did because the Governor of MN (Tim Walz) and the Mayor of Minneapolis (Jacob Frey) ordered Police to stand down and deliberately did not take the sort of enforcement measures to contain the rioting, looting, arson, false imprisonment, battery and intimidation of persons, and other criminal activities of Marxist Mobs.  Indeed, as Mob Activity raged on, the Minneapolis City Council actively sought to placate the mob, voting to actually abolish the Minneapolis PD.  Gov. Walz could have sent in the National Guard, but he essentially did not until it was too late.  Political Leadership allowed a police precinct to be occupied while they publicly spoke of abolishing the only Department Minneapolis has to enforce the laws.  

If we are going to rebuild (with Federal monies) cities that have been destroyed by the rioting, arson, and looting done by Marxist BLM and Marxist Antifa, there ought to be preconditions to that aid:

^^^Aid needs to be predicated on the premise that the damage done is the sole fault of the rioters.  
       These riots need to be blamed squarely on the riots themselves.  There must be NO rhetorical
       concessions whatsoever regarding George Floyd, police brutality, "systemic racism" etc.  These
       riots were not about any of that, and this is crystal clear in hindsight.  The mistake of the Kerner
       Commission was to place the blame for the 1967 riots on "everyone but the rioters themselves".  
       If rebuilding these cities is to be on the taxpayer's dime, that mistake must not be repeated.  
       The rioters and the rioters alone are to blame; this must be a precondition to any aid.

^^^A National Commission needs to be empaneled to point out the failure of the Minneapolis City
       Government and of Gov. Walz to maintain order in the face of Marxist Mobs, looters and vandals. The manner in which Gov. Walz, Mayor Frey, et al, abandoned their primary duty to provide for the public order needs to be examined, documented, ,and explained to the people.  There needs
       to be a clear presentation of how and why law enforcement was ordered to stand down, as well
       as an objective look as what would have likely happened if law enforcement, or the National
       Guard had provided the response necessary to quell disturbances from the outset.

^^^No aid whatsoever shall go to any city that seeks to cut back its police force in the least.  These
       riots were extensive, they were anything but peaceful, they were traumatic to law-abiding,
       taxpaying citizens.  Most importantly, these riots in these cities demonstrate a need for MORE
       policing, and not less.  

^^^No aid will be given to rebuild cities where states have abolished cash bail.  This was an insane
       idea that has repeatedly compromised the safety of law-abiding citizens.  If states wish to
       abolish cash bail, they can rebuild on their own dimes.  If not, taxpayers need to be assured that
       governments have the will and the ability to ensure that dangerous suspects are held and that all
       suspects have the proper motivation to show for trial.

^^^No monies shall be expended for replacement statues and monuments.  Non-confederate
       monuments torn down may be restored and replaced.  New monuments shall be at the expense
       of the Municipality.  

^^^No monies shall be expended to rebuild municipalities where its prosecutors refuse to proceed
       with prosecutions of those who committed crimes while rioting, or whose Governors have
       granted blanket amnesties to rioting activities.

Minneapolis, Seattle, New York, and any number of other cities conducted themselves irresponsibly.  They failed to defend the persons and property of law-abiding citizens.  Even moreso, many of their local leaders appear to actively sympathize with the rioters.  This is what it is, but taxpayers in cities whose leaders DID contain violence where rioting was prevented, or promptly addressed, deserve assurances that the elected leaders in these municipalities will not allow this disorder to happen again without a full response.  Local governments and state governments in numerous states have executed an Epic Fail in protecting its citizens.  Rebuilding ought to come with many strings attached, and with no concessions to the anti-American Woke Contingent who bear great responsibility for the current destruction.

This is a fair point.  I don't agree with it, but this is a fair point.

I don't wish to punish the citizens of Florida, as most are not responsible for this.  But the damage occurred to the extent that it did because the Governor of FL (Ron DeSantis) ordered environmental engineers to stand down and deliberately did not take the sort of mitigation measures to contain the development of unspoiled land, blatant disregard for estimates of the effects of climate change on sea level rises and the severity of extreme weather events, and other criminal activities of developers.  Indeed, as unsustainable development raged on, the Florida Legislature actively sought to placate the mob, voting to actually abolish the ability of municipalities to incorporate climate change into their development plans.  Gov. DeSantis could have done anything at all whatsoever to acknowledge the effects of climate change on sustainability, but he essentially did not until it was too late.  Political Leadership allowed lands that flood at the drop of a hat to be occupied while they publicly spoke of abolishing the only mechanisms Florida has to develop more sustainably.

If we are going to rebuild (with Federal monies) cities that have been destroyed by extreme storms, there ought to be preconditions to that aid:

^^^Aid needs to be predicated on the premise that the damage done is the sole fault of the developers ignoring climate change.
       This destruction needs to be blamed squarely on the ignorance of the people developing areas that will soon be flooded themselves.  There must be NO rhetorical
       concessions whatsoever regarding "property owner's rights", "my home is my castle", "I've poured so much money into this house" etc.  This
       destruction was not about any of that, and this is crystal clear in hindsight.  The mistake of the [analogy not found] was to place the blame for Hurricanes Irma, Maria, and Harvey on "everything but climate change itself".
       If rebuilding these cities is to be on the taxpayer's dime, that mistake must not be repeated.
       The developers and the developers alone are to blame; this must be a precondition to any aid.

^^^A National Commission needs to be empaneled to point out the failure of the Florida Legislature to maintain order in the face of developers claiming that all of Florida can forevermore be developed without any restrictions whatsoever.
       The manner in which Gov. DeSantis, the Florida Legislature, et al, abandoned their primary duty to provide for
       the public good needs to be examined, documented, and explained to the people.  There needs
       to be a clear presentation of how and why environmental engineers and climate change researchers were ordered to stand down, as well
       as an objective look as what would have likely happened if scientists, or engineers had provided the response necessary to quell unsustainable development from the outset.

^^^No aid whatsoever shall go to any state that seeks to cut back its acknowledgement of climate change.  The drastic consequences of climate change are extensive, it is anything but peaceful, it has been traumatic to worried, taxpaying citizens.  Most importantly, these destruction in these cities demonstrate a need for MORE climate change mitigation, and not less.

^^^No aid will be given to rebuild cities where states subsidize flood insurance.  This was an insane
       idea that has repeatedly compromised the safety of law-abiding citizens.  If states wish to
       subsidize flood insurance, they can rebuild on their own dimes.  If not, taxpayers need to be assured that
       governments have the will and the ability to ensure that developers are held to account for their stubborn refusal to acknowledge the risks taken by building in dangerous areas and that all homeowners are fully cognizant of the risks they are taking when purchasing a property in a dangerous area.

^^^No monies shall be expended for replacement beachside attractions.  Buildings that have collapsed further from the ocean may be restored and replaced.  New beachside attractions shall be at the expense of the Municipality.

^^^No monies shall be expended to rebuild municipalities where urban planners continue to allow unsustainable development close to the ocean, or whose Governors have continued to ignore climate change and its effects on the form of cities.

Miami, Tampa, Fort Myers, and any number of other cities conducted themselves irresponsibly.  They failed to establish cities that recognized the precariousness of their development patterns.  Even moreso, many of their local leaders appear to actively sympathize with climate change skeptics.  This is what it is, but taxpayers in cities whose leaders DID start climate change mitigation efforts, deserve assurances that the elected leaders in these municipalities will not allow rebuilding to happen again without taking into account these deleterious activities.  Local governments and state governments in numerous states have executed an Epic Fail in protecting its citizens.  Rebuilding ought to come with many strings attached, and with no concessions to the climate change deniers who bear great responsibility for the current destruction.

I'd be willing to talk about your points if you concede I'm right about aid to Minneapolis.

I'm not a climate denier.  I certainly do not agree with the massive amount of construction in Florida (or in the Outer Banks of NC and other low lying coastal areas) which constitute building in harms way.  

If I were to make your argument, the hyena packers here would accuse me of derailing a thread, or engaging in whataboutism.  I'm not going to do that because my logic on aid to Minneapolis is applicable in other situations.

So to be sure:  Are you saying that we should not provide aid to Florida cities that have not complied with measures to combat climate change, or construction that has gone forward denying climate change, while, at the same time, we provide Federal Funds to a Municipality that, in the face of massive Marxist lawlessness, opts to abolish its Police Department, after ordering Law Enforcement to stand down in the fact of violent Marxist Mobs?  I'm OK with a "No!" to aid on both counts.  But "yes" to Minneapolis and "no" to Florida is certainly not acceptable.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Ugh. This really pisses me off.

Of course this sure isn't going to help Trump carry Minnesota which keeps getting talked about.

Honestly, why should your city get a dime of my tax money if it is not going to maintain its police department and expand it to better meet situations such as this?

Your leaders in Minnesota failed to protect the safety and property of law abiding citizens at Epic Fail levels.  Your city council has made repeated statements of outright support for the Mob.  Now they're your elected officials; they can say what they want, but don't you think that people in the rest of the country ought to have some assurances that there will be a Police Department of adequate size to protect the right to life, liberty, and property of law-abiding Minneapolis residents going forward?

It's YOUR city council that is voting to Abolish the Minneapolis PD.  This is ridiculous to the majority of Americans.  Please explain why we should help you rebuild when you won't provide for your own public safety.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Ugh. This really pisses me off.

Of course this sure isn't going to help Trump carry Minnesota which keeps getting talked about.

Honestly, why should your city get a dime of my tax money if it is not going to maintain its police department and expand it to better meet situations such as this?

Your leaders in Minnesota failed to protect the safety and property of law abiding citizens at Epic Fail levels.  Your city council has made repeated statements of outright support for the Mob.  Now they're your elected officials; they can say what they want, but don't you think that people in the rest of the country ought to have some assurances that there will be a Police Department of adequate size to protect the right to life, liberty, and property of law-abiding Minneapolis residents going forward?

It's YOUR city council that is voting to Abolish the Minneapolis PD.  This is ridiculous to the majority of Americans.  Please explain why we should help you rebuild when you won't provide for your own public safety.

Because they're not just abolishing the Minneapolis PD and leaving it like that, they're replacing it with a new reformed public safety department. You'd know that if you read any articles on it besides headlines.

I've read all of that.  

We've just watched the Minneapolis PD stand down before a Marxist Mob destroyed massive amounts of property, took over a police precinct, engaged in looting and arson, threatened individual citizens with harm to their lives and limb (causing injuries and some fatalities), the response to which was to actually submit to the demands of the Mob and disband the PD.  That's what happened, and you can't deny this.  Now I know that the Minneapolis City Council can't "Abolish the Police" all by themselves, but the fact that they are doing their part to accomplish that is something that taxpayers in other jurisdictions whose municipalities did not suffer damage because their police forces refused to stand down are rightly skeptical.

The taxpayers of other jurisdictions are, likewise, skeptical as to whether or not this Reimagined Public Safety Department will have sufficient power to prevent this level of damage to life and property in the future, or whether it's toothlessness is baked into the Reimagined Cake.  Policing involved force; public safety is often maintained by using physical force to restrain those who will not stop abridging the Constitutional Rights of others to life, liberty, and property.  As a taxpayer, I'm certainly not convinced of the will of the City Government of Minneapolis, MN to use the necessary force to promptly quell riotous disturbances of this kind in the future.  The articles I have read about this new "Public Safety" department show that the devil is in the details.  

The taxpayers of Minneapolis just went through a coordinated assault on their lives, liberty, and property, while public officials ordered Law Enforcement to stand down.  The damages are what they are because Governor Walz, Mayor Frey, and the lunatics on the Minneapolis City Council didn't do their jobs.  Now, they want to be rewarded for failing to protect law-abiding citizens who are in no way responsible for George Floyd.  There is no reason to believe that Minneapolis's new Department will protect the lives and property of law abiding citizens because the same failed leaders (Walz, Frey, and the City Council) remain in office.  I do read the papers.  I also watch what people do.  Let the failed leaders (A) drop their silly idea of abolishing police, (B) admit their errors in standing down, and (C) vow to act differently should such an event happen again, and THEN (and only then) will there be anything that taxpayers can consider to be anything close to "good faith".

Edit:  I do realize that many who have suffered the damage in Minneapolis aren't directly responsible for the Marxist Carnage.  In the end, there should be some aid, but it should come with strings attached.  And, to be sure, there should be more rapid FEDERAL intervention against widespread rioting should the state fail to enforce public safety.  The decision to respond immediately and forcefully to rioting was a no-brainer.  Unfortunately, the decision to stand down was made by politicians who, arguably, don't have functioning brains.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Edit:  I do realize that many who have suffered the damage in Minneapolis aren't directly responsible for the Marxist Carnage.  In the end, there should be some aid, but it should come with strings attached.  And, to be sure, there should be more rapid FEDERAL intervention against widespread rioting should the state fail to enforce public safety.  The decision to respond immediately and forcefully to rioting was a no-brainer.  Unfortunately, the decision to stand down was made by politicians who, arguably, don't have functioning brains.

Of course! And the same is true of federal aid to FL. The people of MN shouldn't be made to compensate Floridians for their reactionary opinions apropos climate change. We're more than capable of paying our own way, but when Miami is hit by a hurricane or flood, don't ask me to foot the bill. I think a scenario in which MN takes care of its own, exclusively, and FL does likewise, is not going to work out in FL's favor.

Minnesota ALLOWED people to riot and destroy property.  It's leaders commanded the police to stand down in the face of riotous mobs.

That they were Marxist Mobs is a fact.  That's not the issue; the issue would be the same if the Governor of Minnesota was Brian Kemp and the rioters were led by Cliven Bundy.  It's a case where government WILLFULLY declined to protect the safety and well-being of ordinary citizens when they had the means at their disposal to do so.

The argument make about "Florida" and "Climate Change" is theoretical, and somewhat preposterous.  One thing is for certain:  Florida Law Enforcement, in all its cities, properly responded to the threat of violence.  Minnesota's did not, and the negligence was willful.

Since you say, however, that you can pay your own way, then do it!  I'll let BRTD know that you speak for him as well.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Edit:  I do realize that many who have suffered the damage in Minneapolis aren't directly responsible for the Marxist Carnage.  In the end, there should be some aid, but it should come with strings attached.  And, to be sure, there should be more rapid FEDERAL intervention against widespread rioting should the state fail to enforce public safety.  The decision to respond immediately and forcefully to rioting was a no-brainer.  Unfortunately, the decision to stand down was made by politicians who, arguably, don't have functioning brains.

Of course! And the same is true of federal aid to FL. The people of MN shouldn't be made to compensate Floridians for their reactionary opinions apropos climate change. We're more than capable of paying our own way, but when Miami is hit by a hurricane or flood, don't ask me to foot the bill. I think a scenario in which MN takes care of its own, exclusively, and FL does likewise, is not going to work out in FL's favor.

Minnesota ALLOWED people to riot and destroy property.  It's leaders commanded the police to stand down in the face of riotous mobs.

That they were Marxist Mobs is a fact.  That's not the issue; the issue would be the same if the Governor of Minnesota was Brian Kemp and the rioters were led by Cliven Bundy.  It's a case where government WILLFULLY declined to protect the safety and well-being of ordinary citizens when they had the means at their disposal to do so.

The argument make about "Florida" and "Climate Change" is theoretical, and somewhat preposterous.  One thing is for certain:  Florida Law Enforcement, in all its cities, properly responded to the threat of violence.  Minnesota's did not, and the negligence was willful.

Since you say, however, that you can pay your own way, then do it!  I'll let BRTD know that you speak for him as well.

So, let's punish everyone in Minneapolis then?

As of the "marxist mob", the 50s called and they want their talking points back.

It's BLM and Antifa, the people you support, that are punishing Minneapolis.  BLM and Antifa are providing the punishment, and the city government of Minneapolis and the state of MN (specifically it's cowardly Governor, Tim Walz) is standing by, refusing to intervene.  And they ARE a Marxist Mob; Patrice Cullors admits that both she and her BLM co-founder are "Trained Marxists".  Walz and Company are the folks that stood by and watched while the abusive parents whipped their kids and did nothing to stop them.  Indeed, a better analogy was that they acted toward the law-abiding citizens in the same manner that the three (3) police officers accompanying Derek Chauvin reacted when Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck for 8 minutes.  (And, yes, individuals died at the hands of the BLM/Antifa Marxists in Minneapolis.)

Your question is legitimate; innocent people have been hurt by a combination of the criminality of the Marxist Mobs and the negligence of the city of Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota.  If I have criticism of President Trump, it's that he didn't send in Federal Forces earlier; these local officials shamefully failed decent people that live within the law and sheltered criminal rioters.  They should be made whole, and I don't think that "You elected these liberals; this is what you should have expected!" is the bottom line.

But there SHOULD be conditions to the aid.  The aid to rebuild should be handed out by the Federal Government; not a single Minnesota agency should be administering it.  It should be a condition of this aid that the Minneapolis PD not be defunded or disbanded; but that it be maintained and additional local monies spent on it.  And it should be a condition that Gov. Walz, Mayor Frey, and the entire Minneapolis city council resign.  These people failed.  The idea that we should just give them the money is ridiculous.  And the final condition should be that the state of Minnesota earnestly prosecute those responsible for the violence, and seek restitution from criminal defendants as a condition of any kind of probation they may get.  Local and state governments need to come to see that they cannot willfully neglect to enforce those laws which go to the rights of citizens to life, liberty, and property.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Minneapolis (and Minnesota) should not give in to blackmail until the police department is fundamentally reformed.  Or else we are going to go through this vicious cycle yet again for the next several decades if Donald Trump and Fuzzy Bear have their way.  

The police aren't the problem.  Individual officers are the problem.  The idea that there is this epidemic of young, unarmed, black males being criminally killed by police is a lie.  The idea that there are significant numbers of young black males killed in significant numbers in their own communities is not a lie; the main threat to Black Lives in major cities is the criminal activities of other members of their communities. 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/the-sole-justification-offered-for-the-riots-is-a-fiction/

This is not supported by the data. Last year, according to the Washington Post’s database of police-involved shootings, nine unarmed black people were shot and killed by the police, compared to 19 unarmed white people. Assuming that the use of lethal force was unjustified in each of those nine cases — not always a safe assumption — the resulting deaths are no less tragic for being so statistically improbable. We rightly fear the specter of Islamic terror, even as it has claimed relatively few domestic victims in the post-9/11 epoch. But this problem — the use of lethal force by police against unarmed black suspects — is not nearly of the scope that the rioters and their enablers would have us believe.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/12/22/the-need-to-discuss-black-on-black-crime/

The reason we focus more on black-on-black violence nowadays is not racism but rather its significance to the crime problem in the United States. Presumably this is why Abt has written an entire book on the subject. Black violent crime was a major factor in the post-1960s crime tsunami and persisted even after the wave began to ebb in the 1990s. From 2000 to 2015, the mean African-American homicide-victimization rate, adjusted for age, was 20.1 per 100,000. That’s more than three times the Hispanic rate of 6.4 (despite disadvantages comparable to those of blacks) and over seven times the average white rate, 2.7. Moreover, as already noted, from 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of the killers of black murder victims were other African Americans. In short, this is about exceptionally high as well as overwhelmingly intraracial black violent crime. White-on-white homicide is equally intraracial, but, as Abt knows, the rates are not astronomically high.

The narratives pushed as justification for the current Marxist Riots are simply not factual.  In truth, no one really believes it, but the media and the liberal blogosphere are bent on driving this narrative.

We will not go through this vicious cycle again if the persons in the streets decide to obey the law.  Reforms in some areas are unreasonable but the idea of abolishing police is beyond ridiculous.  And if our media wishes to drive the sort of narrative they have been driving, they need to honestly present the big statistical picture which does not support the current False Narrative.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Are you seriously citing the National Review as a source? 

Absolutely. 

And those sources are factual.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Now for those not as blinkered:

Collective bargaining agreements for police officers provide protections that stand in the way of accountability, experts say
Killing of George Floyd by a Minneapolis officer ignited protests and calls for change, but experts say police contracts threaten to undermine those efforts

You're fine with similar protections for public school teachers.

No one likes cops until they need one; until the time when THEY are being threatened or victimized.  Then, they expect that police officer to provide affirmative protection for them.  They expect that police officer to do something about the person that vandalized their home, or physically shoved and pushed them in a threatening manner.  They expect the police to do something to ensure that a group of unruly youths don't threaten THEIR kid (or them).  They expect the police to go into harm's way and take into custody people who have committed violent crimes, who pose a danger to others, and who can be presumed to be prepared to violently resist apprehension.  Police officers have lots of reason to view any encounter with a "subject" to go sideways any number of ways, no matter what they do.  Rayshard Brooks spontaneously began to resist a lawful arrest, when there seemed to be no reason to believe that would happen, and he grabbed an officer's taser and shot it at him.  That very few DUI stops go that way doesn't mean that the next one won't.  (And in case you wonder why those officers arrested him, the City of Atlanta would be open to massive  civil liability if, after allowing a drunk man to remain with access to car keys, he later went out and caused death/injury while still drunk.)  

Some people don't want police to do their job.  They want criminals to not be apprehended, for one reason or another.  I've already posted on other threads my views on how there is "overcriminalization" and what can be done.  I've certainly expressed my views on a number of policies that promote "mass incarceration", and I certainly think that we have far too Draconian penalties for too many crimes.  But the people that the residents of the neighborhoods with the most violent crime have the most to fear from are the remorseless criminals that live within their own communities, many of whom are members of violent criminal gangs who are heavily armed.  The statistics of who dies bear this out.  And the persons that would enjoy the most immediate benefit from defunding the police would be the criminal gangs that are causing most of the carnage.