Ruth Bader Ginsburg hospitalized for possible infection

[CookieDamage]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

Tbf Horus is a massive troll

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Trump & Republicans already know who they want to replace RBG with and that person is Amy Coney Barrett.

Mitch would move expeditiously to hold a vote on Barrett, if "something were to happen" to RBG before November.

[Mr. Smith]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

You can't say that, the Clintons saved the Democratic Party in the 1990s from electoral irrelevance, Harkin or Tsongas couldn't have beaten Bush.

Explain.

Democrats weren't electorally irrelevant until 1994.

What? How?

They controlled The House pretty much since 1930 and The Senate since 1956 with only the height of Reagan as a stop.

The reverse has largely been true since then.

And that's why Clinton and Obama were pretty much neutered to the point that Jimmy "conservative sellout, so vote for Ted" Carter could plausibly appear so liberal, despite running '76 as a moderate.

[Person Man]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

I mean, he isn't wrong in that a lot of things that Bill did to win have been biting us in the ass since Obama's second term.

[WD]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

Only on the presidential level. On the congressional level Democrats were destroyed and since his presidency we have only held the house for 5 years, (2007-2011,2019-)

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1284164358705238021

Not sure if it's already been mentioned (because this med student is too lazy to, y'know...read), but this just broke across the past couple of hours.  

*CNN reporting that the treatments have been ongoing since May. 

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

Only on the presidential level. On the congressional level Democrats were destroyed and since his presidency we have only held the house for 5 years, (2007-2011,2019-)

That's mostly due to the rise in polarization in America and also the cultural shift in America after the Civil Rights Movement.

The Republican Party became the solidly "social conservative" party. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party became the solidly "social liberal" party. Before the 1980/1990s, both parties were more ideologically varied.

[Horus]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

He didn't save anything, the Democratic party would not have died out if it weren't for Bill Clinton lmao. Someone else would've taken the helm had he not. You give Clinton far too much credit for doing the bare minimum and capitulating to pretty much every nasty neolib/elite friendly proposal that helped get us in the mess we are today.

[Person Man]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

He didn't save anything, the Democratic party would not have died out if it weren't for Bill Clinton lmao. Someone else would've taken the helm had he not. You give Clinton far too much credit for doing the bare minimum and capitulating to pretty much every nasty neolib/elite friendly proposal that helped get us in the mess we are today.

And what if Bill had lost? I know that isn't really plausible but didn't he basically win because of "Republicans in Disarray" though I still would like to think he would have still won in a head to head race. Maybe even by just as much.

Though to be fair, he was still pretty liberal on most things just was "conservative" on Civil Rights and Liberties issue. It almost immediately backfired, too. Liberals hated the militarism and the conservatives hated the gun control. There's is a long term price to pay for "giving up" on certain issues though maybe sometimes its warranted. However, the last time Democrats simply couldn't win elections anywhere (2003- 2007), the Party doubled down and they won.

[lfromnj]

Btw a Lame duck senate would probably be 48 D 52 R if MCsally loses.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I am not worried at all, if Barrett is appointed Abortion wint be legal but contraception is.

Ginsburg has Liver Cancer and is going in and out of hospitals, Cancer is unpredictable and so is HIV, it can come out of remission and kill you.

[Woody]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

Only on the presidential level. On the congressional level Democrats were destroyed and since his presidency we have only held the house for 5 years, (2007-2011,2019-)

It's not even worth arguing with this guy. He frequently posts at r/neoliberal....

He probably supports open borders and thinks Bill Clinton was a good guy.

[WD]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

Only on the presidential level. On the congressional level Democrats were destroyed and since his presidency we have only held the house for 5 years, (2007-2011,2019-)

It's not even worth arguing with this guy. He frequently posts at r/neoliberal....

He probably supports open borders and thinks Bill Clinton was a good guy.

I mean Clinton was a great President, but my point still stands, he didn’t exactly “save” the Democratic Party.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

I mean, he isn't wrong in that a lot of things that Bill did to win have been biting us in the ass since Obama's second term.

Since before then, actually (see: deregulation in the banking sector). While his presidency made lots of good reforms, some of the nastiest trends the Dems have faced (especially within WWC communities) since the Clinton presidency began or accelerated as a result of the destruction of unions and massive growth in wealth inequality he presided over. Moreover, not all of the errors Clinton made in government were things he did to win: he campaigned as a NAFTAskeptic, but rolled over on labour protections once in office. That it took a Republican president to make minimal improvements on this front should be embarrassing. In 1996, with his reelection looking likely anyway, Clinton enacted punitive Republican welfare measures that crushed some of the poorest.

People blaming "polarisation" and "cultural shift" need to recognise that these things do not happen independent of governance. Even ignoring the effects of his policies, Bill Clinton's naked corruption empowered the Christian right and damaged the image of the party long after he'd left office. If Ghislaine Maxwell actually talks, I hope no elected official tries to protect him from a thorough and fair investigation, but there'll probably be at least a couple arrogant enough to come to his defence. That will also hurt the Democratic Party.

[progressive85]

Hang in there please RBG!!!

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Jfc.

It is maybe in bad taste to ask, but what is the latest possible date “something could happen” that would give the GOP adequate time to confirm a new justice before everything changes over in January?

I have been wondering what would happen if RBG died in November- Early December. It took 3 months (July-Oct) to get Brett Kavanaugh confirmed. Cocaine Mitch can work his magic, would 1.5 to 2 months be enough? This is using a scenario where Dems take back the Senate on Jan 3, and the Presidency on Jan 20.

[emailking]

If they follow the normal process I think they can rush it in a few weeks once they have the nominee. Of course in theory it can be done with 2 votes, one to change the rules, and another to confirm.

[Hammy]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

Only on the presidential level. On the congressional level Democrats were destroyed and since his presidency we have only held the house for 5 years, (2007-2011,2019-)

It's not even worth arguing with this guy. He frequently posts at r/neoliberal....

He probably supports open borders and thinks Bill Clinton was a good guy.

I mean Clinton was a great President, but my point still stands, he didn’t exactly “save” the Democratic Party.

I'm not even sure what part of presiding over the Dems control of the legislature completely imploding even counts as "saving the Democratic Party" in the first place. He did nothing but hand the Republicans a quarter century of ammo and in effect if not for him we wouldn't have Trump (who remember he was all buddy buddy with for decades).

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

I mean, he isn't wrong in that a lot of things that Bill did to win have been biting us in the ass since Obama's second term.

Since before then, actually (see: deregulation in the banking sector). While his presidency made lots of good reforms, some of the nastiest trends the Dems have faced (especially within WWC communities) since the Clinton presidency began or accelerated as a result of the destruction of unions and massive growth in wealth inequality he presided over. Moreover, not all of the errors Clinton made in government were things he did to win: he campaigned as a NAFTAskeptic, but rolled over on labour protections once in office. That it took a Republican president to make minimal improvements on this front should be embarrassing. In 1996, with his reelection looking likely anyway, Clinton enacted punitive Republican welfare measures that crushed some of the poorest.

People blaming "polarisation" and "cultural shift" need to recognise that these things do not happen independent of governance. Even ignoring the effects of his policies, Bill Clinton's naked corruption empowered the Christian right and damaged the image of the party long after he'd left office. If Ghislaine Maxwell actually talks, I hope no elected official tries to protect him from a thorough and fair investigation, but there'll probably be at least a couple arrogant enough to come to his defence. That will also hurt the Democratic Party.

You could have just stated my username lol.

Anyways, I didn't say anything about Clinton's impact on the Democratic Party. I was just addressing a specific point independent of that.

[SInNYC]

Another worry I have and has not been stated above is this:

Biden wins but Republicans keep 51 in Senate. After the election Mitch argues that the nominee should be somebody acceptable to both Biden and Republicans, and they end up choosing somebody right of even Garland.

I suppose this is somewhat parallel to RGB's nomination too since she was on Orrin Hatch's list to Bill Clinton, but people are much more careful in dissecting a nominee's past now.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Ginsburg didnt retire in 2014, when Obama had the Senate, due to the fact, she expected Hilary to be elected as Prez. That's what Bill Clinton told Ginsburg

She miscalculated . Also, she expected Kennedy to retire and it would have been 6 to 3 Liberal than reversed

90-95% of problems Dems have had over the past 30 years can be directly attributed to Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are such a massive metastatic cancer.

LOL

Single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this site, which is really saying something.

Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party. Three elections in a row, Dems not only lost but were slaughtered in landslides. The party was on the verge of oblivion at the presidential level. Bill broke through and won, won big, and became a great and popular president in his own right. How the hell could he have possibly predicted a Supreme Court justice he nominated would get cancer and not retire early enough decades later, under the first black president but before Donald Trump became president? The things people blame the Clintons for are ridiculous. It’s like “Thanks, Obama” times 1000.

Bill Clinton saved the PRESIDENTIAL Democratic Party by enabling it to win.  I can't believe that the bulk of the Talk Elections Left would approve today of what he actually did to bring this about.

Bill Clinton was one of the liberal politicians who, during the 1980s, was aware that the Democratic Party was shooting itself in the foot by nominating unappealing candidates who had the sort of baggage that handicapped them (and the party) every four years.  Presidential years were elections that Democratic pols dreaded because it meant being saddled to an unpopular Presidential candidate.  Bill Clinton had some awareness of how the Democratic Party had become disconnected from people whom it purported to care about; specifically, working class people.  And he won a number of them back; he was the last Democrat to carry Democratic KY and Democratic MO.  He carried LA with 51% of the vote in 1996. 

That he ultimately went the identity politics route was his undoing.  Identity politics enabled the Democrats to become competitive Presidentially, while being buried in state legislatures, Congressional Districting, and in non-urban local politics the nation over.  Clinton abandoned the working class strategies while President; today, the white working class is a Republican constituency (for better or worse), and that's Clinton's doing.  The Clintons created a majority (more or less) at the expense of consensus.  That's not a good thing. 

[brucejoel99]

Another worry I have and has not been stated above is this:

Biden wins but Republicans keep 51 in Senate. After the election Mitch argues that the nominee should be somebody acceptable to both Biden and Republicans, and they end up choosing somebody right of even Garland.

I suppose this is somewhat parallel to RGB's nomination too since she was on Orrin Hatch's list to Bill Clinton, but people are much more careful in dissecting a nominee's past now.

I don't think there are judges to the right of Garland that would be acceptable to Biden, & I don't think even Garland would be acceptable to Biden anymore considering his age, but a judge to the right of RBG wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing given, for example, Kagan replacing John Paul Stevens wasn't the end of the world.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Here's to hoping for the best. If worst comes to worst, her family shouldn't announce her passing until Jan. 4th. That's what she would want anyway.

[President Johnson]

Another worry I have and has not been stated above is this:

Biden wins but Republicans keep 51 in Senate. After the election Mitch argues that the nominee should be somebody acceptable to both Biden and Republicans, and they end up choosing somebody right of even Garland.

I suppose this is somewhat parallel to RGB's nomination too since she was on Orrin Hatch's list to Bill Clinton, but people are much more careful in dissecting a nominee's past now.

I don't think there are judges to the right of Garland that would be acceptable to Biden, & I don't think even Garland would be acceptable to Biden anymore considering his age, but a judge to the right of RBG wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing given, for example, Kagan replacing John Paul Stevens wasn't the end of the world.

In this case, I could see Mitch getting pressure from Mitt Romney, Lisa Murkowski and/or Susan Collins (if she survives) to allow Biden a more liberal pick since the overall court ballance isn't affected by the pick (liberal replacing liberal). In case the election actually ends with 51 senate Republicans, I'd still hope Murkowski switches to Independent caucusing with the Democrats. I mean, she has little chance to get reelected as a Republican in 2022 anyway.

[R.P. McM]

Another worry I have and has not been stated above is this:

Biden wins but Republicans keep 51 in Senate. After the election Mitch argues that the nominee should be somebody acceptable to both Biden and Republicans, and they end up choosing somebody right of even Garland.

I suppose this is somewhat parallel to RGB's nomination too since she was on Orrin Hatch's list to Bill Clinton, but people are much more careful in dissecting a nominee's past now.

I share your concern. In which case, the Biden Administration needs to reject McConnell's demands. Given demographic trends, the Senate is destined to become an illegitimate, undemocratic body. At some point, CA and WY will no longer have the same number of Senate seats, or influence over SCOTUS appointments. Better to force the confrontation now while there's still time to preserve democracy and curtail climate change.