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« on: July 10, 2020, 06:59:29 PM »

 What a joke of a presidency.

Trump Commutes Sentence of Roger Stone in Case He Long Denounced
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2020, 07:04:18 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2020, 07:11:55 PM »

That would explain the DACA comments...
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2020, 07:18:44 PM »

Casual observation that when the rule of law is destroyed, vigilante justice is - by definition - all that remains.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2020, 07:20:05 PM »

The Trump presidency is approaching rock bottom.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2020, 07:20:32 PM »

Nothing to gain and just another example of being the most corrupt administration in US history. He just gets what’s important to voters, doesn’t he?
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2020, 07:22:33 PM »

Trump retweeted this:
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2020, 07:24:03 PM »

Add this to the pile.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2020, 07:25:26 PM »

The Trump presidency is approaching rock bottom.

There is no bottom with this administration.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2020, 07:29:16 PM »

The Trump presidency is approaching rock bottom.

There is no bottom with this administration.

It's eroding institutions, layer by layer. If only Mike Gravel were still in the Senate.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2020, 07:30:17 PM »

He's clearly looking for a distraction from all his other failures but never realizes that these distractions still don't help him very much. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall and is just going to try and get away with as much as possible (well, even more so) between now and January 20, 2021. If Bill Clinton's "pardongate" was controversial, brace yourselves for Trump's.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2020, 08:02:05 PM »

Well, this is going to go either one or two ways:

1. Trump loses re-election and Congress works to pass laws to prevent abuses of power like this.

2. Trump wins re-election, somehow, and America is forever changed for the worse.

Which one is it gonna be, Atlas? I’m now ready to crawl over broken glass WHILE being lit on fire to vote for Joe Biden.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2020, 08:10:38 PM »

Will surely help him with swing voters.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2020, 08:12:05 PM »

Remember when Republicans supported the rule of law and Law and order? Good times.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2020, 08:15:53 PM »

The Trump presidency is approaching rock bottom.

There is no bottom with this administration.

This administration is the political equivalent of a reactor meltdown.
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2020, 08:22:41 PM »

The Trump presidency is approaching rock bottom.

There is no bottom with this administration.

This administration is the political equivalent of a reactor meltdown.
Call the fire brigade!
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2020, 08:24:47 PM »

Well, this is going to go either one or two ways:

1. Trump loses re-election and Congress works to pass laws to prevent abuses of power like this.


President's power to pardon is absolute, there can be no law to restrict it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2020, 08:26:08 PM »

Well, this is going to go either one or two ways:

1. Trump loses re-election and Congress works to pass laws to prevent abuses of power like this.


President's power to pardon is absolute, there can be no law to restrict it.

That’s ridiculous. This is the exact type of abuse that needs to be rectified - pardons with corrupt intent. Perhaps it’s time to revisit the idea of pardons altogether.
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2020, 08:27:55 PM »

Well, this is going to go either one or two ways:

1. Trump loses re-election and Congress works to pass laws to prevent abuses of power like this.


President's power to pardon is absolute, there can be no law to restrict it.

That’s ridiculous. This is the exact type of abuse that needs to be rectified - pardons with corrupt intent. Perhaps it’s time to revisit the idea of pardons altogether.

So you want to waste political capital on passing an amendment to change pardon scope? Lol
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2020, 08:28:52 PM »

Well, this is going to go either one or two ways:

1. Trump loses re-election and Congress works to pass laws to prevent abuses of power like this.


President's power to pardon is absolute, there can be no law to restrict it.

That’s ridiculous. This is the exact type of abuse that needs to be rectified - pardons with corrupt intent. Perhaps it’s time to revisit the idea of pardons altogether.

So you want to waste political capital on passing an amendment to change pardon scope? Lol

Yes, because I’m anti-corruption Lol
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2020, 08:44:25 PM »

Pardons need not be revisited.  The possibility of a Pardon is the ONLY hope for those imprisoned or facing execution who are actually innocent.  Actual innocence is not a ground for appeal, and it is often not used to grant a new trial if the defendant entered a "best interest" plea to, say, avoid the Death Penalty, settle for 25 years rather than 70 years, etc.

I'm fine with commutation of this sentence.  Stone deserves a new trial due to bias issues with the jury foreperson, but one isn't forthcoming due to the bias of an activist Obama appointee.  We can't all be Maximum John Sirica, a conservative Republican who stuck it to Watergate defendants, now can we?
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2020, 08:45:28 PM »

Remember when you guys were celebrating the fact that he’d die in prison? Who’s laughing now?
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2020, 08:51:47 PM »

Remember when you guys were celebrating the fact that he’d die in prison? Who’s laughing now?

This is why we can't have nice things. Because all you cultists care about is trolling Democrats, consequences for the country be damned.

Our democracy isn't going to survive much longer if this attitude is allowed to continue.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2020, 08:52:04 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2020, 08:55:52 PM »
« Edited: July 10, 2020, 09:01:07 PM by woodley park »

Pardons need not be revisited.  The possibility of a Pardon is the ONLY hope for those imprisoned or facing execution who are actually innocent.  Actual innocence is not a ground for appeal, and it is often not used to grant a new trial if the defendant entered a "best interest" plea to, say, avoid the Death Penalty, settle for 25 years rather than 70 years, etc.

I'm fine with commutation of this sentence.  Stone deserves a new trial due to bias issues with the jury foreperson, but one isn't forthcoming due to the bias of an activist Obama appointee.  We can't all be Maximum John Sirica, a conservative Republican who stuck it to Watergate defendants, now can we?

There's a difference between a case a POTUS has absolutely no connection to, and what happened here. This was clearly a pardon done with corrupt intent -- to show Stone, and any past or future collaborator, that there are rewards for taking one for the President. And that is a message that will reverberate throughout the future, enabling corruption in Republican and Democratic administrations yet to come. This will have to be rectified if America is to continue to be a country governed by laws.

Honestly, I'm baffled that people here think this is OK, that this is just the way it is, and that an earnest attempt to undergird our fundamental laws and values is just a "waste" of "political capital". You guys are a bunch of jokers. Seriously, its embarrassing.
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