If Red States ever Seceded...

[VBM]

Let’s say that Trump loses in 2020, conservatives become increasingly unhinged due to social and cultural changes, and Fox News keep on riling up their viewers until it gets to the point where the conservative state governments decide that they’re sick of “liberals ruining America” and they decide to abandon the liberal states and form their own version of America, how would things play out? Would the US go to war with the new country or just let them leave the Union, or would the new country instigate a war with the US? How would such a war play out, and how would either country treat the losing country?

The new country gets all the Safe R states, as well as Georgia, North Carolina, Texas, and Ohio. Maybe Florida too but idk if they would also join.

[Saint Milei]

Biden would send troops in because the marxist left would force him to arguing red states are being fascist.

[Del Tachi]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

[VBM]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “muh religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

[jimrtex]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “much religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

Hartford convention.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “much religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

In so far as there's been much talk of secession outside of the territories, most of what I've seen has been about California, though there still doesn't seem to be much real support for it. The secession-related memes, however, have suggested a liberal separation and union with Canada since the days of Dubya, with a tongue-in-cheeck proposal to have a the north and SW leave "Jesusland" to its own devices.

[Del Tachi]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “much religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

"muh religion" :/

and people say the left isn't hateful

[The Dowager Mod]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

It isn't worth a response, Yet here you are responding.

[DrScholl]

If that did happen I doubt that war would occur unless the secessionists states struck first (see Fort Sumter). I really cannot see Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas leaving the union because it's just not economically feasible. Such a country would start out with huge revenue problems and no larger states with better economies to subsidize them. As for reasoning, if Trump made a big enough fuss about the election being stolen from him and advocated for secession then several read states would be on board in a second.

[Del Tachi]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

It isn't worth a response, Yet here you are responding.

If you noticed TG (probably didn't, but that's ok), I actually didn't address any of the specific questions he raised in OP.  I rejected his premise outright and explained why it was dumb, rather than engaging in his hypothetical thought exercise about a 21st century civil war.

[VBM]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “much religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

"muh religion" :/

and people say the left isn't hateful

Yeah me saying that you shouldn’t be able to use your religion as an excuse to hate people is more hateful than you actually hating someone because of your religion...

[VBM]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “much religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

Hartford convention.

Lol dude that sh**t’s from 1814, and it was actually a conservative movement because they were opposed to the federal government’s increasing power

[longtimelurker]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “much religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

In so far as there's been much talk of secession outside of the territories, most of what I've seen has been about California, though there still doesn't seem to be much real support for it. The secession-related memes, however, have suggested a liberal separation and union with Canada since the days of Dubya, with a tongue-in-cheeck proposal to have a the north and SW leave "Jesusland" to its own devices.

"CalExit" was exposed as a hoax promoted by an expat iiving in Russia, who changed his citizenship to Russian shortly after being exposed.  I can't imagine who put him up to it.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/politics/calexit-leader-russia/index.html

[Bojack Horseman]

I would support this 100%. California should become its own country, the rest of the blue states should merge with Canada, and the red states should be called Trumpistan and he can be their king. The KKK can be their military and police force while they resegregate and disenfranchise Blacks since there would be no pesky Voting Rights Act or Civil Rights Act or even the 14th Amendment to get in their way anymore.

Meanwhile in California and the United States of Canada we’d be enjoying universal health care, unrestricted abortion rights, legal marijuana, and a defunded police force.

[Woody]

If a Civil War ever happened the Republicans would win, they would control all the food, they would have combat veterans at their side, most of the guns, all the big cities would be surrounded, etc.

[RINO Tom]

Lol, the “no avatar rule” holds true yet again!

[It’s so Joever]

If a Civil War ever happened the Republicans would win, they would control all the food, they would have combat veterans at their side, most of the guns, all the big cities would be surrounded, etc.

Wrong.
The Democrats still hold a number of agricultural areas and plenty of veterans wouldn’t support secession. It wouldn’t be so clear cut as people think, we would see severe Balkanization across nearly the entire country.
I do think in the end, the Republicans would win....a completely ruined nation burnt to the ground and an extremely angry populace with a history of rebellion.

The only winners in this case are China and several other nations.

[Former President tack50]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

[RINO Tom]

I would support this 100%. California should become its own country, the rest of the blue states should merge with Canada, and the red states should be called Trumpistan and he can be their king. The KKK can be their military and police force while they resegregate and disenfranchise Blacks since there would be no pesky Voting Rights Act or Civil Rights Act or even the 14th Amendment to get in their way anymore.

Meanwhile in California and the United States of Canada we’d be enjoying universal health care, unrestricted abortion rights, legal marijuana, and a defunded police force.

Assuming all of your strawman things true, you’d abandon Black and Hispanic people throughout all of this new “red state country” while you heartlessly *enjoy* yourself in another country?

[GP270watch]

What is even considered a red state? Texas and Florida are not really red states just because their government is currently Republican. Utah is really a Mormon state above a red state. Alaska is interested in what's best for Alaskans. Southern states like Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi have large black populations that wouldn't be down with any red state secession. Conservatives should consider themselves lucky that they've milked the current politcal infrastructure to almost max benefit. They really get an overshare of politcal power.

[RINO Tom]

What is even considered a red state? Texas and Florida are not really red states just because their government is currently Republican. Utah is really a Mormon state above a red state. Alaska is interested in what's best for Alaskans. Southern states like Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi have large black populations that wouldn't be down with any red state secession. Conservatives should consider themselves lucky that they've milked the current politcal infrastructure to almost max benefit. They really get an overshare of politcal power.

This goes the other way, dude.  States like Minnesota, Nevada, Colorado and Virginia were all closer to voting for Trump than Texas was to voting for Clinton.  The Republican populations in states like New Jersey or Connecticut are larger portions of their states than these aforementioned Black Democrats in places like Mississippi.

The entire idea of "Red America" vs. "Blue America" is ridiculously overblown, mostly by autistic people who can't actually conceptualize the world past county maps and "D+7, R+7," lol.

[GP270watch]

What is even considered a red state? Texas and Florida are not really red states just because their government is currently Republican. Utah is really a Mormon state above a red state. Alaska is interested in what's best for Alaskans. Southern states like Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi have large black populations that wouldn't be down with any red state secession. Conservatives should consider themselves lucky that they've milked the current politcal infrastructure to almost max benefit. They really get an overshare of politcal power.

This goes the other way, dude.  States like Minnesota, Nevada, Colorado and Virginia were all closer to voting for Trump than Texas was to voting for Clinton.  The Republican populations in states like New Jersey or Connecticut are larger portions of their states than these aforementioned Black Democrats in places like Mississippi.

The entire idea of "Red America" vs. "Blue America" is ridiculously overblown, mostly by autistic people who can't actually conceptualize the world past county maps and "D+7, R+7," lol.

 It doesn't go the other way because many minorities can't vote or don't vote. If you look at it Republcians are turning out their base at much higher levels, Florida is a great example of this. Florida also has disenfranchised voters, people who are not citizens eligible to vote but very much Floridians, and many who simply don't vote who most politcal scientists belive would give Democrats the advantage.

  There is a difference from your local government being Republican under The United States of America and a state seceding and saying we will live under conservative values/principles. This could never happen in most of the so called red states, but it could more easily happen in California or NY  despite them having a large amount of Republican voters.

[jimrtex]

In so far as there's been much talk of secession outside of the territories, most of what I've seen has been about California, though there still doesn't seem to be much real support for it. The secession-related memes, however, have suggested a liberal separation and union with Canada since the days of Dubya, with a tongue-in-cheeck proposal to have a the north and SW leave "Jesusland" to its own devices.

"CalExit" was exposed as a hoax promoted by an expat iiving in Russia, who changed his citizenship to Russian shortly after being exposed.  I can't imagine who put him up to it.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/politics/calexit-leader-russia/index.html

Lou Marinelli is a kook.

WELCOME TO CALEXIT may or may not be real.

Remember the Manson Family, Heaven's Gate, and Jonestown were all California movements. Maybe Marinelli was just a Californian being a nut.

[VBM]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “much religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

In so far as there's been much talk of secession outside of the territories, most of what I've seen has been about California, though there still doesn't seem to be much real support for it. The secession-related memes, however, have suggested a liberal separation and union with Canada since the days of Dubya, with a tongue-in-cheeck proposal to have a the north and SW leave "Jesusland" to its own devices.

"CalExit" was exposed as a hoax promoted by an expat iiving in Russia, who changed his citizenship to Russian shortly after being exposed.  I can't imagine who put him up to it.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/politics/calexit-leader-russia/index.html

The Neo Confederacy would become a sh**thole country without the blue states there to help them, so the Neo Confederacy government would find an excuse to go to war with the US in order to distract their citizens from the fact that their living standards are now even more garbage. They would get their asses kicked of course, and hopefully the US wouldn’t be as lenient during Reconstruction 2.0 as they were the first time

[Badger]

The premise of your question is so ridiculous that it isn't worthy of a response.

There's no reason for "red states" to succeed when the American system of government systematically overweights rural/conservative concerns.  If anything, its places like New York and California who would become increasingly disheartened with the American system were Trump to win a second term.

Lol when have liberal states ever even considered seceding? It’s always crybaby conservatives that are talking about seceding whenever the government tells them that they can’t use “much religion” to discriminate against people, or whenever the government bans super lethal guns that clearly shouldn’t be accessible to an ordinary citizen because of “muh liberties!”

Hartford convention.

Great example, Jimrtex. Got any that are actually within the last 200 years?