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TiltsAreUnderrated
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 10, 2020, 10:09:44 AM »
« edited: July 10, 2020, 12:20:48 PM by TiltsAreUnderrated »

It appears the training is being run by Enlightenment-skeptics:
Worth opposing, in my view. Probably not a priority compared to corona etc., but it'd be ideal to end the illiberal trends quickly before they get conflated with the Biden presidency.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2020, 10:40:46 AM »


Not in 2020. A lot of this will be blamed on Trump just as much of what happened in Ferguson etc. was blamed on Obama. There was a racist element to that too, but it's more a phenomenon of blaming the incumbent for the problems of both teams.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2020, 11:57:10 AM »

You cannot offer the same diversity training to all employees because different people have different biases. A bias that a white person has isn't necessarily the same bias that a black person has. Plus the majority is going to feel far more secure in being biased because they feel they can get away. Some minorities feel they cannot be racist because they don't control the levers of institutionalized racism. It seems that a lot of people are ignorant of how complex these issues can be.

The people who really want to turn back the clock to the 1950s aren't the ones who created this training. It's conservatives who are always talking about how much better things were in the 1950s and even some progressives wanted to throw minorities under the bus after 2016 to make white working class voters feel better.

Look at the content of the training. Do you really think hauling white people into classrooms and telling them "objectivity" is internalised racial superiority is helpful?
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2020, 12:14:30 PM »

You cannot offer the same diversity training to all employees because different people have different biases. A bias that a white person has isn't necessarily the same bias that a black person has. Plus the majority is going to feel far more secure in being biased because they feel they can get away. Some minorities feel they cannot be racist because they don't control the levers of institutionalized racism. It seems that a lot of people are ignorant of how complex these issues can be.

The people who really want to turn back the clock to the 1950s aren't the ones who created this training. It's conservatives who are always talking about how much better things were in the 1950s and even some progressives wanted to throw minorities under the bus after 2016 to make white working class voters feel better.

Look at the content of the training. Do you really think hauling white people into classrooms and telling them "objectivity" is internalised racial superiority is helpful?

Some people think they have an increased ability to be objective based on a variety of factors that can include not just race, but also income, class, etc. It's not as simple as you think.

I happen to agree that a false conviction in one's own ability to be rational allows bigotry to flourish (and that the "neutral" tone is often one invested with power), but that doesn't mean rationalism itself should be abandoned. Saying "objectivity is a vestige of internalised racial superiority" does not persuade one to try to be more objective and either suggests anti-racism is irrational or encourages a minority of anti-racists to abandon rationality in their approach to anti-racism. Both of these results are counterproductive.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2020, 12:16:58 PM »

Also how is individualism "racist"?
If theres ever a moment that the word cultural Marxism actually makes sense one could use it here. I do wish there was a better word that captured that feeling without the anti-Semitic nature of Cultural Marxism.

Because some people take individualism to mean "I can do whatever I want to anyone because I'm an individual therefore only my concerns matter".

That doesn't mean individualism is racist. People's incorrect interpretations of various concepts does not define those concepts and terms like individualism and objectivity should not be surrendered to racists.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2020, 12:33:49 PM »

Also how is individualism "racist"?
If theres ever a moment that the word cultural Marxism actually makes sense one could use it here. I do wish there was a better word that captured that feeling without the anti-Semitic nature of Cultural Marxism.

Because some people take individualism to mean "I can do whatever I want to anyone because I'm an individual therefore only my concerns matter".

That doesn't mean individualism is racist. People's incorrect interpretations of various concepts does not define those concepts and terms like individualism and objectivity should not be surrendered to racists.

That's not what I'm saying. My point is that if people are misusing these terms to justify their biases then the training should highlight this.

Ok, but that is not what seems to be going on and the differences between misuse of these terms and the terms themselves must be stressed so as not to suggest anti-racism is opposed to objectivism or whatever term is being discussed.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2020, 01:33:27 PM »

more to the point, there is no evidence that "diversity training" actually does anything than provide cover for institutions and corporations to cover for lawsuits while a small number of middlemen collect their salary; while ensuring racial solidarity is broken down to deter unionization etc.

Basically its a window in to the mind of the liberal. Solve poverty by giving cheques and properly funded education to the poor, who are disproportionately black? Nah, that's too hard; better just spend the equivalent amount of money to pay some college educated snake oil salesman so they can boring and patronizing powerpoints to sanitation workers.

This is the Seattle city government and stop calling it "liberalism" The Seattle city council is absolutely controlled by woke socialists. The Amazon backed corporatism all lost.

Durkan is a liberal, the leftists are useful idiots.

I'd argue it's not especially liberal although that term has been bastardised in the context of US politics.
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