Seattle hosts Segregated Diversity Training for Employees

[Saint Milei]

The hard left needs to shut up atp. They only make things worse for black americans

[Horus]

I'm not reading this entire thread, but this is a ridiculous interpretation. Ever hear of affinity groups?

It's a workshop on diversity.

For part of it, employees self-sort into which session is most appropriate for them: a place for white people to examine their white privilege and deconstruct biases and unjust systems of privilege/oppression, and to self education; or a place for people of color to examine how systems of privilege and oppression have been holding them back and how to better support each other and advocate for themselves.

How unfair would it be to put a white person in an irrelevant session, or a person of color in an irrelevant session? It is not the burden of people of color to educate white people. White people need to educate themselves.

What if I feel like I self sort best into a group that doesn't match my physical characteristics? Does that make me the sjw version of a race traitor?

[HisGrace]

I'm personally a strong believer in negative reinforcement and berating in general

At least someone on the left is being honest for once.

[John Dule]

I'm personally a strong believer in negative reinforcement and berating in general, so I'm absolutely against this. Put everybody in the same room, let the victim-framing white types go on the defensive, get yelled at by PoC, cry, scream, try to stomp out, etc: it merely speeds up already-occurring sociological processes. Either they're already too far gone and burrow even deeper into the well of racism - making it harder to hide and easier for the body politic to excise them - or they end up genuinely reflecting upon their thoughts and actions, and make a serious attempt at bettering themselves. Either way, the training serves its purpose (and far more expediently).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session

[Kingpoleon]

How do they come up with this stuff? Do they just listen to David Duke say, “This is what the civil rights movement was really about.” and just use all of that?

[Suburbia]

More controversy:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lawsuit-nevada-race-christianity-william-clark

Yes, it is Fox News, but at least they are covering this stuff.

[Damocles]

More controversy:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lawsuit-nevada-race-christianity-william-clark

Yes, it is Fox News, but at least they are covering this stuff.

Oh, because you just *had* to piss in the Cheerios and stir the pot again on an old topic on New Years. Nice job. 👍🏻

[Suburbia]

More controversy:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lawsuit-nevada-race-christianity-william-clark

Yes, it is Fox News, but at least they are covering this stuff.

Oh, because you just *had* to piss in the Cheerios and stir the pot again on an old topic on New Years. Nice job. 👍🏻

What I am saying is that this stuff will increase in 2021---and racial separatism will increase and increase.

I am sending the alarms of the dangers heading our way-----2021 will be a make or break year. If people want racial harmony, they have to stop with the sniping.

Your choice.

[It’s so Joever]

More controversy:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lawsuit-nevada-race-christianity-william-clark

Yes, it is Fox News, but at least they are covering this stuff.

Oh, because you just *had* to piss in the Cheerios and stir the pot again on an old topic on New Years. Nice job. 👍🏻

What I am saying is that this stuff will increase in 2021---and racial separatism will increase and increase.

I am sending the alarms of the dangers heading our way-----2021 will be a make or break year. If people want racial harmony, they have to stop with the sniping.

Your choice.

You must be a troll.

[Suburbia]

More controversy:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lawsuit-nevada-race-christianity-william-clark

Yes, it is Fox News, but at least they are covering this stuff.

Oh, because you just *had* to piss in the Cheerios and stir the pot again on an old topic on New Years. Nice job. 👍🏻

What I am saying is that this stuff will increase in 2021---and racial separatism will increase and increase.

I am sending the alarms of the dangers heading our way-----2021 will be a make or break year. If people want racial harmony, they have to stop with the sniping.

Your choice.

You must be a troll.

Happy New Year. Happy 2021.

I am not a troll. I want racial harmony, but the way things are going, racial separatism is slowly creeping into society.

I hope 2021 is a year of peace and prosperity---period.

[Blue3]

Stop trolling. And baiting.

And this isn’t segregation. You seem to have no education on racism or anti-racism.

[Suburbia]

Stop trolling. And baiting.

And this isn’t segregation. You seem to have no education on racism or anti-racism.

It's turning into segregation. I have a lot of education on racism and antiracism. The Left are the ones who claim to be helping disadvantaged people, while tearing down another race of people, the majority still as of 2021.

These things can be well-intentioned, but they lead to racial tension. No one owes anyone anything.

[Horus]

Stop trolling. And baiting.

And this isn’t segregation. You seem to have no education on racism or anti-racism.

Tbf the garbage you were trying to pull in this thread about "affinity groups" really isn't any better than the bronz worldview. Very out of touch stuff there. You seem to also support segregation so long as it's done politely and certified by someone who says Latinx.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The people who really want to turn back the clock to the 1950s aren't the ones who created this training. It's conservatives who are always talking about how much better things were in the 1950s and even some progressives wanted to throw minorities under the bus after 2016 to make white working class voters feel better.

Neither of those statements are true.

Would you really be unhappy is things went back to how they were in the 1950s? You would probably think that your life was a lot better because "socialism" wasn't ruining it.

You cannot offer the same diversity training to all employees because different people have different biases. A bias that a white person has isn't necessarily the same bias that a black person has. Plus the majority is going to feel far more secure in being biased because they feel they can get away. Some minorities feel they cannot be racist because they don't control the levers of institutionalized racism. It seems that a lot of people are ignorant of how complex these issues can be.

The people who really want to turn back the clock to the 1950s aren't the ones who created this training. It's conservatives who are always talking about how much better things were in the 1950s and even some progressives wanted to throw minorities under the bus after 2016 to make white working class voters feel better.

Look at the content of the training. Do you really think hauling white people into classrooms and telling them "objectivity" is internalised racial superiority is helpful?

Some people think they have an increased ability to be objective based on a variety of factors that can include not just race, but also income, class, etc. It's not as simple as you think.

You cannot offer the same diversity training to all employees because different people have different biases. A bias that a white person has isn't necessarily the same bias that a black person has. Plus the majority is going to feel far more secure in being biased because they feel they can get away. Some minorities feel they cannot be racist because they don't control the levers of institutionalized racism. It seems that a lot of people are ignorant of how complex these issues can be.

We offer the same training to men and women for basically every job, even though in some cases the social dynamics are completely different.

That's fine, but it should be acknowledged that men and woman might come away from the training with different perceptions.

You make no attempt to consider your own biases on this Forum. 

[Fuzzy Bear]

What is the hypothetical rationale behind this anyway?

something about getting in touch with your whiteness in order to overcome it.

Okay, does anyone have a non troll answer?

That actually IS the answer.  That's why this is so controversial.  That's why Joe Biden got flak for calling this "sensitivity training".  It's not "sensitivity training".  It's really a form of mental health counseling, only without the "client centered" goals of Carl Rogers.  It may not be packaged as such, but that's what it is.

The fields of Counseling and Psychology would be the natural folks to step up and oppose this because of what it is, which is mandated mental health group counseling for people that are law-abiding and mentally healthy.  That's not happening because those professions are pretty much given over to Wokeness for now. 

[Blue3]

Stop trolling. And baiting.

And this isn’t segregation. You seem to have no education on racism or anti-racism.

It's turning into segregation. I have a lot of education on racism and antiracism. The Left are the ones who claim to be helping disadvantaged people, while tearing down another race of people, the majority still as of 2021.

These things can be well-intentioned, but they lead to racial tension. No one owes anyone anything.

How is it turning into segregation to consider your characteristics and how they advantage or disadvantage you in our current social/political/economic system?

We all owe each other understanding and love.

Stop trolling. And baiting.

And this isn’t segregation. You seem to have no education on racism or anti-racism.

Tbf the garbage you were trying to pull in this thread about "affinity groups" really isn't any better than the bronz worldview. Very out of touch stuff there. You seem to also support segregation so long as it's done politely and certified by someone who says Latinx.

I know it's "out of touch" with the mainstream, but it's correct. It was also quite "out of touch" to post about Black Lives Matter some 5 years ago. You should become more self-aware of your own bias and approach this with an open mind. How is it turning into segregation to consider your characteristics and how they advantage or disadvantage you in our current social/political/economic system?

[Horus]

Stop trolling. And baiting.

And this isn’t segregation. You seem to have no education on racism or anti-racism.

It's turning into segregation. I have a lot of education on racism and antiracism. The Left are the ones who claim to be helping disadvantaged people, while tearing down another race of people, the majority still as of 2021.

These things can be well-intentioned, but they lead to racial tension. No one owes anyone anything.

How is it turning into segregation to consider your characteristics and how they advantage or disadvantage you in our current social/political/economic system?

We all owe each other understanding and love.

Stop trolling. And baiting.

And this isn’t segregation. You seem to have no education on racism or anti-racism.

Tbf the garbage you were trying to pull in this thread about "affinity groups" really isn't any better than the bronz worldview. Very out of touch stuff there. You seem to also support segregation so long as it's done politely and certified by someone who says Latinx.

I know it's "out of touch" with the mainstream, but it's correct. It was also quite "out of touch" to post about Black Lives Matter some 5 years ago. You should become more self-aware of your own bias and approach this with an open mind. How is it turning into segregation to consider your characteristics and how they advantage or disadvantage you in our current social/political/economic system?

I'm not referring to whatever bronz is talking about up there, I'm referring to what you said on the previous page back in July. Considering your advantages or disadvantages in the current system is fine, so long as one isn't creating problems that aren't there.

But, when you take the extra step of putting white people in one room and black people in another, as was being done, it will not help ease racial tensions, it will amplify differences.

Adam Griffin has the right idea. Put everyone in one room together and excoriate the racists if they exist. No need to beat around the bush with cute HR games.