Seattle hosts Segregated Diversity Training for Employees

[RINO Tom]

West Coast can be a bit weird, huh?  Lol.

[DrScholl]

I didn't say you were a Republican and specifically said conservatives. There are plenty of right-wingers from all over the spectrum who push the idea of voter fraud in black areas. Even moderate Mark Kirk said East St. Louis would jigger the vote against him. Really my point is that a lot of right-wingers want individualism for themselves, but like to judge people on which group they belong too.

Yeah, but you're not talking to "a lot of right-wingers" right now, you're talking to me. And I have never pushed a black voter fraud narrative on this site, ever. Do you see the irony here? In accusing me of making generalizations based on group, you yourself made a generalization based on my group.

But have you said it isn't true? There are two types of conservatives now: The ones who push conspiracies and those who ignore the extremism because they don't feel the need to challenge it. I don't care what you believe though, because you have a right to be as biased or unbiased as you want to. End of debate.

[John Dule]

I didn't say you were a Republican and specifically said conservatives. There are plenty of right-wingers from all over the spectrum who push the idea of voter fraud in black areas. Even moderate Mark Kirk said East St. Louis would jigger the vote against him. Really my point is that a lot of right-wingers want individualism for themselves, but like to judge people on which group they belong too.

Yeah, but you're not talking to "a lot of right-wingers" right now, you're talking to me. And I have never pushed a black voter fraud narrative on this site, ever. Do you see the irony here? In accusing me of making generalizations based on group, you yourself made a generalization based on my group.

But have you said it isn't true? There are two types of conservatives now: The ones who push conspiracies and those who ignore the extremism because they don't feel the need to challenge it. I don't care what you believe though, because you have a right to be as biased or unbiased as you want to. End of debate.

Bruh, seriously? Are you aware of how much vitriol I've directed towards Trump and his racially motivated politics on this site? I never miss a chance to criticize him, the religious right, the conspiracy theorists, and all of their Klan buddies. I get it, you made a baseless attack against me and now you don't want to backpedal. But really, it's kind of irritating to see you in such a huff about biased generalizations when you're clearly so willing to engage in that sort of rhetoric yourself.

[Horus]

The biggest problem with the over woke far left is not their views on the issues or even their attitude, it's their complete inability to see humans as individuals. Everything is institutional no matter how small.

[Tartarus Sauce]

The biggest problem with the over woke far left is not their views on the issues or even their attitude, it's their complete inability to see humans as individuals. Everything is institutional no matter how small.

This is the problem with anybody that becomes attached to overly-reductive analysis, and the more immersed one becomes in the extremes of political thought, the more likely one is to cross that threshold and become a reflexive zealot incapable of grasping nuance and context. They only know how to view the world through one lens and one lens only.

This fallacy is not one which knows any ideological boundaries, the pathologies of the far-right stem from this trap just as much as those of the far-left.

[Badger]

Also how is individualism "racist"?
If theres ever a moment that the word cultural Marxism actually makes sense one could use it here. I do wish there was a better word that captured that feeling without the anti-Semitic nature of Cultural Marxism.

Individualism is racist because it forces you to judge a person by their own actions instead of by the group they belong to. Wokies don't realize that that's precisely what makes it not racist.

But plenty of conservatives don't judge people by their actions. Every time a Republican loses an election somehow it's because the "blacks" in the inner city stuffed the ballot boxes. When you stop doing that then maybe you can call yourselves individualists.

"When you stop doing that?" Who is the "you" that you are referring to in that sentence? Republicans? If so, I'm not a Republican. Right-wingers in general? Well, if you'd like to paint the entire vast spectrum of the right, which covers everything from libertarian capitalism to ethno-fascism, with the same brush... then I guess that's your prerogative. But ironically, this is precisely why anti-individualism is so harmful. It allows you to judge an individual by their membership to a group instead of, you know, actually listening to what the person is saying to you.

I didn't say you were a Republican and specifically said conservatives. There are plenty of right-wingers from all over the spectrum who push the idea of voter fraud in black areas. Even moderate Mark Kirk said East St. Louis would jigger the vote against him. Really my point is that a lot of right-wingers want individualism for themselves, but like to judge people on which group they belong too.

My two cents. I can tell you from first-hand personal experience that Republicans overwhelmingly believe that "urban " voters commit wholesale voter fraud in most big cities.

That said, I really don't see why that reality impacts an analysis of "individualism".

[Dr. MB]

The people who really want to turn back the clock to the 1950s aren't the ones who created this training. It's conservatives who are always talking about how much better things were in the 1950s and even some progressives wanted to throw minorities under the bus after 2016 to make white working class voters feel better.

Of course. But the things a lot of excessively woke people want resemble some new enlightened form of segregation. Just coming full circle except they really truly believe in “separate but equal” I guess.

[DrScholl]

Also how is individualism "racist"?
If theres ever a moment that the word cultural Marxism actually makes sense one could use it here. I do wish there was a better word that captured that feeling without the anti-Semitic nature of Cultural Marxism.

Individualism is racist because it forces you to judge a person by their own actions instead of by the group they belong to. Wokies don't realize that that's precisely what makes it not racist.

But plenty of conservatives don't judge people by their actions. Every time a Republican loses an election somehow it's because the "blacks" in the inner city stuffed the ballot boxes. When you stop doing that then maybe you can call yourselves individualists.

"When you stop doing that?" Who is the "you" that you are referring to in that sentence? Republicans? If so, I'm not a Republican. Right-wingers in general? Well, if you'd like to paint the entire vast spectrum of the right, which covers everything from libertarian capitalism to ethno-fascism, with the same brush... then I guess that's your prerogative. But ironically, this is precisely why anti-individualism is so harmful. It allows you to judge an individual by their membership to a group instead of, you know, actually listening to what the person is saying to you.

I didn't say you were a Republican and specifically said conservatives. There are plenty of right-wingers from all over the spectrum who push the idea of voter fraud in black areas. Even moderate Mark Kirk said East St. Louis would jigger the vote against him. Really my point is that a lot of right-wingers want individualism for themselves, but like to judge people on which group they belong too.

My two cents. I can tell you from first-hand personal experience that Republicans overwhelmingly believe that "urban " voters commit wholesale voter fraud in most big cities.

That said, I really don't see why that reality impacts an analysis of "individualism".

Because a lot of people who use the term "individualism" like to be treated as an individual, but don't view others in the same manner. That is just one example of a bias. Personally the only people I've seen using the term "individualist" really aren't any less judgmental than anyone else.

[Fuzzy Bear]

This "training" is, in fact, a "corrective action" for one group of employees (based on race), but not another.  The presumption that this group of employees need "correcting" is not only absurd; it would not hold up in a Court of Law.

All of these sort of measures that demonize white people (or any other specifically targeted group) need to resisted.  Employees need to refuse to participate, their unions (or their private attorneys) need to challenge this in court, and taxpayers need to tell their municipalities to Go To Hell on this one.  It is shaming and profiling.  It is ridiculous. 

No one needs this sort of "training".  It's actually reminiscent of garbage from re-education camps in bad movies.  Requiring this "training" is systematic degrading of one group.  It is harassment.  It is racial profiling baked into workplace policy.  And it is likely unconstitutional.  I hope to see this tested in Federal Court beyond the 9th Circuit.

[John Dule]

Because a lot of people who use the term "individualism" like to be treated as an individual, but don't view others in the same manner. That is just one example of a bias. Personally the only people I've seen using the term "individualist" really aren't any less judgmental than anyone else.

We only got to talking about black voter fraud because you brought it up and asked me to denounce it for some reason. How would you feel if every time you tried to make a point, a right-winger said "Okay leftie, maybe I'll take you seriously when you guys stop trying to collectivize the farms and shoot everyone who wears glasses"?

[Badger]

Because a lot of people who use the term "individualism" like to be treated as an individual, but don't view others in the same manner. That is just one example of a bias. Personally the only people I've seen using the term "individualist" really aren't any less judgmental than anyone else.

We only got to talking about black voter fraud because you brought it up and asked me to denounce it for some reason. How would you feel if every time you tried to make a point, a right-winger said "Okay leftie, maybe I'll take you seriously when you guys stop trying to collectivize the farms and shoot everyone who wears glasses"?

Don't they?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Honestly, where is the Honest Liberal Outrage on this issue?  There is nothing "liberal" about this; it is about as liberal as laws in countries that put your whole family in jail if you do something wrong.

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This is more than "Diversity Training".  This is not about "live and let live", respect for all, etc.  This is about didactic mental health counseling by non-clinicians (or, who knows, maybe they'll bring in licensed counselors to do this eventually).  It is behavior modification as therapy for ordinary workers who, because of their race, have, for all intents and purposes, been designated as having a pathology, and have been required to undergo "counseling". 

This is not liberal, and this does not build people up in any way.  It tears people down, and for no reason (other than political manipulation and racial grievance).  And if the same sort of therapy were applied to any racial minority it would be labeled as racist, insensitive, and even "pre-genocidal".  It serves no purpose.  It pathologizes and demonizes one group, playing it against the other group.  It wouldn't be right in the classroom, and it's not right in the workplace.  Indeed, it's flat out un-American, and there ought to be no place for this garbage in all of America.

[T'Chenka]

Honestly, where is the Honest Liberal Outrage on this issue?  There is nothing "liberal" about this; it is about as liberal as laws in countries that put your whole family in jail if you do something wrong.

Fuzzy, 4 of the 5 red and maroon avatars in this thread have taken a position on this, and 3 of those 4 oppose it just like you do. That's only a 25% approval rating.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Honestly, where is the Honest Liberal Outrage on this issue?  There is nothing "liberal" about this; it is about as liberal as laws in countries that put your whole family in jail if you do something wrong.

Fuzzy, 4 of the 5 red and maroon avatars in this thread have taken a position on this, and 3 of those 4 oppose it just like you do. That's only a 25% approval rating.

Well, that's a healthy sign.   

These stupid ideas take hold in the workplace before people fully get wind of them and comprehend just how insidious they are.  It's hard to get rid of them once they take hold.

[HisGrace]

Nothing gets people ready for diversity like only being with your own race!

The current "woke" left is still using leftover rhetoric from the post-modern 60's counterculture, but when they combine it with their moralizing the result is incoherent. They say they don't believe in objectivity but then proceed to make all kinds of objective assertions about how the world is. If there is no objectivity why are racism and inequality even bad and how can you establish they exist in the first place? If a white person says he doesn't see race, then for him it doesn't exist, if you disagree you are making a claim of objectivity.  You can't argue for any kind of moral framework if you don't think there is universal objective truth. If you're going to take the relativistic metaphysical view that there is no truth outside of experiences then you must embrace moral relativism as well.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

They are going to be doing this with children as soon as schools open back up.  The woke racialism stuff is really popular in the education profession.

[Suburbia]

This crap is why Republicans are not going to die as a party
 The Left doesn't learn.

[Fuzzy Bear]

One condition of any Federal Aid to any city suffering riot damage is that these sort of trainings be abolished amongst teachers and public employees, as well as an end to the application of "critical race theory" in primary and secondary education.

Being stupid on your own dime is one thing.  Being stupid on my dime is another.

[The Free North]

Remove the word diversity and replace Seattle with Pretoria and you'll see how close the wokies have come to literally arguing for re-instituting racism.

The sad part about this is that racism is a social myth we all collectively created. Reinforcing the idea that skin color matters in any regard only furthers the myth and pointing out that 'it matters to some' and 'its very real for many people' only begs the question. The entire past few months has served to worsen race relations which is entirely predictable given Americas solution to literally every problem is always 'attack it' even when it's painfully obvious doing so is massively counterproductive.

Ultimately, these sorts of things only make wealthy white liberals feel good about themselves because its a lot easier for Becky in HR to think she's making a difference by separating people who are 'inherently perpetrating systemic racism by nature of their birth (not racist at all cuz they're white and colonialism wuz bad n stuff)' which wastes time that could be spent advancing actual policy that will help ensure equality under the law and more equal economic outcomes...because policy is nuanced and difficult and thinking that much tends to hurt ones head.

Its partly why I don't care that much at this point about the national debate on this sort of thing. Its clear America is so ass backwards on how to fix this problem that its much better to continue trying to make your own little world as good as it can be and not stress about the fact that people keep poking a bear in the eye and wondering why its biting them. More so than ever I remain convinced that people who are massively ideologically engaged, particularly now, are simply more miserable people than those who don't give a toss and go about living their lives with humility and kindness.

 

[GP270watch]

A fair number of Atlas posters thoughts can be summarized as "Let me be racist in peace".

[Horus]

A fair number of Atlas posters thoughts can be summarized as "Let me be racist in peace".

Do you think segregating people for a day is a good idea?

[Suburbia]

A fair number of Atlas posters thoughts can be summarized as "Let me be racist in peace".

How about leave people alone, let people be?

You can't force someone out of that, that is their belief.

Progressives can't cry for unity and turn around and do the opposite.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

more to the point, there is no evidence that "diversity training" actually does anything than provide cover for institutions and corporations to cover for lawsuits while a small number of middlemen collect their salary; while ensuring racial solidarity is broken down to deter unionization etc.

Basically its a window in to the mind of the liberal. Solve poverty by giving cheques and properly funded education to the poor, who are disproportionately black? Nah, that's too hard; better just spend the equivalent amount of money to pay some college educated snake oil salesman so they can boring and patronizing powerpoints to sanitation workers.

[GP270watch]

A fair number of Atlas posters thoughts can be summarized as "Let me be racist in peace".

Do you think segregating people for a day is a good idea?

 Yes because people who do this type of training have to account for the completely insane ways some white people react. I've read a lot about this and it's crazy the anger, entitlement, and fragility they are encountered with.

 If you find this type of training unwanted or even patronizing, don't be a damn racist at work, admonish your white coworkers when they are racist. It's 2020 already and we shouldn't have to be doing diversity training, the fact we do is the real outrage.

[Horus]

A fair number of Atlas posters thoughts can be summarized as "Let me be racist in peace".

Do you think segregating people for a day is a good idea?

 Yes because people who do this type of training have to account for the completely insane ways some white people react. I've read a lot about this and it's crazy the anger, entitlement, and fragility they are encountered with.

 If you find this type of training unwanted or even patronizing, don't be a damn racist at work, admonish your white coworkers when they are racist. It's 2020 already and we shouldn't have to be doing diversity training, the fact we do is the real outrage.

Do you think people are reacting negatively because they're being segregated based on race? I would react negatively to something such as that. If we're really trying to end racism that is not the way.

I agree that admonishing white co workers who are racist is needed, but you don't need to make the workplace 1959 Alabama for a day to accomplish that.

You can dislike training such as this and also not be racist. This isn't an either or.