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« on: July 10, 2020, 06:07:24 AM »

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The other way to read that is that the Biden camp seems to have settled on the 2020 election being a referendum on Trump -- Biden simply doesn't need to promote or advocate for his agenda for change. The Lincoln Project -- a coalition of Never Trump GOP consultants -- is running a far more effective campaign to sway public opinion against Trump than the Biden camp at this point.
Based on Biden's current performance and how he nearly lost the Democratic primary and especially given his poor debate performances.
Biden isn't a strong enough candidate to win by himself -- he still needs a big assist from a flailing Donald Trump.
For Democrats there is a lot at stake these days -- but counting Trump out is a mistake. Democrats need to be ready for the Trump machine to pull out all stops to stay in power. From voter suppression to an October surprise, anything is possible -- and this race is a long way from over.

https://us.cnn.com/2020/07/09/opinions/too-soon-to-cheer-trumps-political-demise-wierson-honan/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2020, 06:25:10 AM »

Literally no one is doing it so this piece is really annoying
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2020, 06:30:14 AM »

Of course this article is written by an Eric who spells it “Arick”
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2020, 06:40:14 AM »

Nobody is cheering Trump's defeat. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Trump and his cronies have badly mishandled the pandemic, killing hundreds (!) of thousands of Americans in addition to the longest economic expansion on record, and that the GOP is, deservedly so, an underdog to retain the White House and Senate.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2020, 06:49:27 AM »

I don't think anyone is taking the foot off the pedal.  It's not a bad article.  If anything, it urges everyone involved to pour it on.   
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2020, 07:28:58 AM »

No it's not, Trump already has the tax issue and corruption, he doesnt have the economy.  Trump is so arrogant and only faults the bad things of Obama and said it was my good economy.  The Trump economy created budget deficits, which gave tax cuts to rich. Obama didnt create massive deficits from tax cuts, his deficits increased spending on Obamacare
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2020, 12:35:57 PM »

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Based on Biden's current performance and how he nearly lost the Democratic primary and especially given his poor debate performances.
Biden isn't a strong enough candidate to win by himself -- he still needs a big assist from a flailing Donald Trump.

Biden’s current performance? What? You mean how he’s winning by 9-10 points on average with over 50%, more in some of the higher quality polls, along with nearly every swing state? I don’t see much to complain about in Biden’s current performance.

He nearly lost the Democratic primary? News to me. Last I checked he had a majority of votes, an overall 23 point lead over his nearest runner-up who dropped out and endorsed him months ago (earlier than he did in 2016, when Hillary won by less). He also swept every county in critical swing states (including some Hillary lost) like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida, and had pretty much taken an insurmountable delegate lead after Super Tuesday. The primary was not close. At all.

Poor debate performances? He won his only one-on-one debate performance against Bernie. In earlier debates with the crowded field he was generally rated by voters as doing fine and they at least had no apparent negative impact on his support. He also easily won his previous VP general election debates against Palin and Ryan, and Trump lost all three of his general election debates. Given Biden’s clear strengths as a one-on-one debater and Trump’s clear weaknesses as the same, I don’t see how this is something to worry about at all.

I don’t know what world the idiot who wrote this article lives in, but it doesn’t bear the slightest resemblance to objective reality. CNN should be embarrassed for publishing this drivel.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2020, 12:39:05 PM »

Is this the new "Dems in Disarray" narrative the media are trying to push?
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2020, 02:10:46 PM »

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Biden simply doesn't need to promote or advocate for his agenda for change. The Lincoln Project -- a coalition of Never Trump GOP consultants -- is running a far more effective campaign to sway public opinion against Trump than the Biden camp at this point.

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Arick Wierson is an American television and media executive, columnist, public relations strategist and international political consultant.

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Bradley Honan is CEO and President of the Honan Group. The Honan Strategy Group (HSG) is a unique hybrid of political consulting firm and corporate research and data analytics firm, bringing together the best of both worlds to create winning strategies. At the Honan Strategy Group, we pride ourselves on offering our clients highly customized strategic services, with senior leadership involved in all aspects of an engagement.

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2020, 02:15:26 PM »

Biden could be up 30 points or more and I’ll still be nervous about Trump winning.

Stay vigilant and vote.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2020, 05:09:40 PM »

Is this the new "Dems in Disarray" narrative the media are trying to push?

I think it's Dems telling Dem voters not to let their guard down more than anything.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2020, 05:10:17 PM »

Do we really need a new thread like this every other day?
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2020, 06:10:39 PM »

We know, dammit! Listen, I am as anti-complacency as anyone, and people should be reminded as often as possible about the stakes of this election, but it isn't hard-hitting journalism to get one of these articles every few days.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2020, 07:26:42 PM »

Trump is the severe underdog and it's OK to say so. An incumbent who:
-has never gotten a 50% approval rating
-but does have around 50% strongly disapprove of him
-was always unpopular and won in large part due to running against a historically unpopular candidate
-is down 41.1%-50.7% in July
-is widely seen as having botched the most important issue
-the problems contributing to their poor results, in particular the pandemic, the worsening economy and his own incompetence, show no signs of getting better by November.
-and there are no clear vulnerabilities that would make their opponent unpopular enough for people to see the incumbent as the lesser evil.

Is that incumbent really in a pure tossup race? Or shall we just be honest and say that incumbent is probably going to lose?

Of course, Democrats need to actually vote to make sure Trump loses, and that he is crushed by as much as possible and that down-ballot Republicans from the Senate to state legislatures are swept away by a big, beautiful blue wave.


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