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« on: July 09, 2020, 12:20:08 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2020, 12:23:16 PM »

With this consistent Cunningham leads, tempted to move this to Lean D, but leaving it in Tilt D, Tillis is a clear underdog, at this point
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2020, 12:24:22 PM »

Itíll be closer than that, but Tillis isnít less vulnerable than Collins.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2020, 12:27:17 PM »

Dems have leads in AZ, CO, IA, ME, MT and NC. Sullivan is only up by 5 and Cornyn is only up by 7. SC Graham is tied with Harrison and Warnock and Ossoff are headed for runoffs
 Not to mention KY or KS.

60 SEATS are reachable
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2020, 12:30:09 PM »

Itíll be closer than that, but Tillis isnít less vulnerable than Collins.

Their write-up suggests the undecided voters in the Senate race skew towards being Trump 2020 voters and the undecided voters in both the presidential and Senate race skew towards being Trump 2016 voters. They estimated that if all of them went for Trump and Tillis, Cunningham would still lead, but only by 1.

Undecided 15%

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2020, 12:30:59 PM »

Polling here is giving me Florida 2018 vibes
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2020, 12:35:35 PM »

Itíll be closer than that, but Tillis isnít less vulnerable than Collins.

Their write-up suggests the undecided voters in the Senate race skew towards being Trump 2020 voters and the undecided voters in both the presidential and Senate race skew towards being Trump 2016 voters. They estimated that if all of them went for Trump and Tillis, Cunningham would still lead, but only by 1.

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MoE: 3.4%

IIRC, the undecideds in their ME poll were also not as Democratic-leaning (if at all) as you would expect with a Biden +11 lead.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2020, 12:40:40 PM »

Tillis is starting to give me McSally vibes.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2020, 12:46:52 PM »
« Edited: July 09, 2020, 12:51:52 PM by VARepublican »

Tillis is starting to give me McSally vibes.

Nah. In April, they had Cunningham up 7. Then 2. Then 4. Now 9.

PPP is weird. I wish we had a Republican version of it.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2020, 12:47:25 PM »

I highly doubt he wins by this much, but if this election becomes 2008 levels of a "Blue Wave" it is possible, Hagan won by 8.5 in 2008.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2020, 12:49:32 PM »

Itíll be closer than that, but Tillis isnít less vulnerable than Collins.

Their write-up suggests the undecided voters in the Senate race skew towards being Trump 2020 voters and the undecided voters in both the presidential and Senate race skew towards being Trump 2016 voters. They estimated that if all of them went for Trump and Tillis, Cunningham would still lead, but only by 1.

Undecided 15%

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818 voters
MoE: 3.4%

IIRC, the undecideds in their ME poll were also not as Democratic-leaning (if at all) as you would expect with a Biden +11 lead.

The Maine poll wasnít weighted by education so itís entirely possible that Collins is actually leading and Trumpís losing by less than 11%.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2020, 12:54:37 PM »

Tillis is starting to give me McSally vibes.

Nah. In April, they had Cunningham up 7. Then 2. Then 4. Now 9.

PPP is weird. I wish we had a Republican version of it.
In terms of being pretty large NC based polling firms, Civitas fits the bill.
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2020, 12:56:29 PM »

Lean D
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2020, 12:57:49 PM »

NC is gone and maybe gone for good for Rs. Rs can no longer rely on AZ, FL and NC
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2020, 01:02:23 PM »

Polling here is giving me Florida 2018 vibes

False. Cunningham is white.
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2020, 01:08:05 PM »


And Tills doesn't have a dump truck of personal money he can pour into the race like Scott.
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2020, 01:17:22 PM »


Was that really the issue? Were people really lying about who they supported?
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2020, 02:03:39 PM »

I'm still reluctant to call this race more than a pure tossup. Polls will probably tighten by fall and undecideds break for Tillis. That being said, I think Cunningham will narrowly win regardless. By a similar margin than Joe Biden carrying the state. Cooper will win by a decent margin.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2020, 02:11:24 PM »

Polling here is giving me Florida 2018 vibes

Why would you say this. Now I'm depressed.
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2020, 02:38:39 PM »


I think users on this blog forget that we are dealing with Trump not Rubio or Christie. whom Trump made rookie mistakes in Flynn appointment and botched the Covid 19 and hired Sarah Huckabee Sanders instead of a real Press Secretary.  Trump is gonna be blanched
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2020, 03:15:03 PM »

Itíll be closer than that, but Tillis isnít less vulnerable than Collins.

Their write-up suggests the undecided voters in the Senate race skew towards being Trump 2020 voters and the undecided voters in both the presidential and Senate race skew towards being Trump 2016 voters. They estimated that if all of them went for Trump and Tillis, Cunningham would still lead, but only by 1.

Undecided 15%

July 7-8, 2020
818 voters
MoE: 3.4%

IIRC, the undecideds in their ME poll were also not as Democratic-leaning (if at all) as you would expect with a Biden +11 lead.

The Maine poll wasnít weighted by education so itís entirely possible that Collins is actually leading and Trumpís losing by less than 11%.


President Romney agrees
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2020, 03:41:44 PM »

Itíll be closer than that, but Tillis isnít less vulnerable than Collins.

Their write-up suggests the undecided voters in the Senate race skew towards being Trump 2020 voters and the undecided voters in both the presidential and Senate race skew towards being Trump 2016 voters. They estimated that if all of them went for Trump and Tillis, Cunningham would still lead, but only by 1.

Undecided 15%

July 7-8, 2020
818 voters
MoE: 3.4%

IIRC, the undecideds in their ME poll were also not as Democratic-leaning (if at all) as you would expect with a Biden +11 lead.

The Maine poll wasnít weighted by education so itís entirely possible that Collins is actually leading and Trumpís losing by less than 11%.


President Romney agrees

What does this have to do with President Romney? That Chambers guy literally ignored that there could be a higher Democratic turnout ó and tried to somehow change the electorate, which he isnít supposed to do.

But this is different. If shy Trump voters werenít a thing, then not weighting by education was the reason the polls were wrong in Ď16 ó https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pollsters-probably-didnt-talk-to-enough-white-voters-without-college-degrees/.

Sara Gideon mostly appeals to college-educated women around Portland and Augusta. But Collins can win big in ME02 where there are many whites with no degree who voted for Trump in 2016. Sheíll probably outperform his Ď16 result by 5 points. That can tip the election in favor of Susan Collins. There are also many Republicans ďundecidedď whoĎll vote for her, obviously. Undecided Republicans make up 4.8% of the electorate, according to the latest poll. Letís assume she gets all their votes, sheís at 48%. If thereís a polling error caused by not weighting by education (there often is) then that gets her to 50 or 51.


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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2020, 04:20:06 PM »

Itíll be closer than that, but Tillis isnít less vulnerable than Collins.

Their write-up suggests the undecided voters in the Senate race skew towards being Trump 2020 voters and the undecided voters in both the presidential and Senate race skew towards being Trump 2016 voters. They estimated that if all of them went for Trump and Tillis, Cunningham would still lead, but only by 1.

Undecided 15%

July 7-8, 2020
818 voters
MoE: 3.4%

IIRC, the undecideds in their ME poll were also not as Democratic-leaning (if at all) as you would expect with a Biden +11 lead.

The Maine poll wasnít weighted by education so itís entirely possible that Collins is actually leading and Trumpís losing by less than 11%.


President Romney agrees

What does this have to do with President Romney? That Chambers guy literally ignored that there could be a higher Democratic turnout ó and tried to somehow change the electorate, which he isnít supposed to do.

But this is different. If shy Trump voters werenít a thing, then not weighting by education was the reason the polls were wrong in Ď16 ó https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pollsters-probably-didnt-talk-to-enough-white-voters-without-college-degrees/.

Sara Gideon mostly appeals to college-educated women around Portland and Augusta. But Collins can win big in ME02 where there are many whites with no degree who voted for Trump in 2016. Sheíll probably outperform his Ď16 result by 5 points. That can tip the election in favor of Susan Collins. There are also many Republicans ďundecidedď whoĎll vote for her, obviously. Undecided Republicans make up 4.8% of the electorate, according to the latest poll. Letís assume she gets all their votes, sheís at 48%. If thereís a polling error caused by not weighting by education (there often is) then that gets her to 50 or 51.




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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2020, 04:57:49 PM »

It almost certainly wonít be this lopsided, but Tillis really canít afford to underperform Trump by much, if at all. Still a Toss-Up, but Iíd probably give a slight edge to Cunningham in this environment.
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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2020, 04:59:29 PM »


True but I still think the lead is inflated. Either this or GA-regular will be the closest Senate race on election night.
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