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« on: July 11, 2020, 04:59:51 PM »

In the nearly one year which has passed since I returned from my hiatus, I've come to appreciate, more than ever, the need for free and open debate online and in the real world. Freedom of speech is one of the most essential liberties which we have; it underpins many of our other rights, and is vital to the successful and fair operation of civil society. Hence, I would agree with the underlying sentiments expressed in this letter.

At the same time, however, freedom of speech does not mean that one should be shielded from the consequences of what they say. As we've interpreted it in our jurisprudence, freedom of speech has meant that one cannot be restrained or harassed by government; it does not mean that one cannot be punished by their employer, or criticized (and even scorned) by other members of civil society. This is particularly true when someone engages in hate speech or the like. The Supreme Court has recognized that hate speech is constitutionally protected, but such recognition does not extend to the actions of private actors, with regards to whether or not they will employ or interact with someone who utilizes such speech. That is the distinction which I think hasn't been fully recognized here.

The Constitution focuses on government not punishing speech since it is a document dealing with the role and limits of government.  That doesn't mean it's not an important principle elsewhere.
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2020, 06:04:58 PM »


Another signatory begging the 'free speech' activists to stop harassing another critic of the letter.

You assume he's doing that because he's appalled with their behaviour rather than because he fears being fired if he doesn't go out to bat for her. I don't that assumption is a given considering his recent interactions with Ezra Klein and his decision to purge his entire Twitter feed.

I'm sure Yglesias is sincere in not wanting his co-workers to be harassed (though I'm not sure the feeling is mutual), but there's no basis for the assumption that a few nasty internet trolls are in any way characteristic of all those concerned about people being punished by woke mobs and HR departments.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2020, 12:28:36 PM »

Asking someone to leave your house because they keep ranting awful things about your friend  =/= trying to get someone fired and ruin their reputation because of a bad opinion.
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