Democratic Alliance Party HQ - Snap July Convention [PARTY PLATFORM ADOPTED]

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

brahs chill

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

These are vague platitudes, not a real ideology. The question we need to ask is what real ideology are you trying to disguise? The obvious answer is the same right-wing ideology of the Federalist Party, opposed to our sensible progressive policies.

Or maybe progressive policies while also opposing the single party dominance that the Labor party has?

You’re literally a right-winger lol.

ASV a 'right winger'? Are you trying to get into comedy Peri? Maybe you should stick to doing your job as the President rather than continue the proud tradition of lazy labor libel.

[Sirius_]

I don't even know why the president is in our convention yelling at us while we try to set up a party tbh, might call security.

[RC (a la Frémont)]

Can we maybe not have big party goons trying to interrupt us.

I don't even know why the president is in our convention yelling at us while we try to set up a party tbh, might call security.

Do it, we don't need em.

[Former President tack50]

These are vague platitudes, not a real ideology. The question we need to ask is what real ideology are you trying to disguise? The obvious answer is the same right-wing ideology of the Federalist Party, opposed to our sensible progressive policies.

Or maybe progressive policies while also opposing the single party dominance that the Labor party has?

There are certainly dissidents on the left in Atlasia against Labor; most notably PSOL. This is not a left wing party; or an attempt to create a party that competes with Labor on the left in an honest manner by calling us neoliberal sellouts. champagne socialists or whatever.

This is not a party for such people nor is it a progressive party.

It is fine to create a party on the center and I myself have even called for it at times. But do not call this a left of center or progressive party when it is not one.

[Former President tack50]

These are vague platitudes, not a real ideology. The question we need to ask is what real ideology are you trying to disguise? The obvious answer is the same right-wing ideology of the Federalist Party, opposed to our sensible progressive policies.

Or maybe progressive policies while also opposing the single party dominance that the Labor party has?

You’re literally a right-winger lol.

ASV a 'right winger'? Are you trying to get into comedy Peri? Maybe you should stick to doing your job as the President rather than continue the proud tradition of lazy labor libel.

I mean ASV is clearly a right winger despite not being formally affiliated with the Federalists. That is clear as day.

[tmthforu94]

I'm generally in favor of these bylaws and assume passing them will be our first step. Perhaps there should be a section dedicated directly to the creation of a platform? There are a couple of references to it throughout the current proposal.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

agreed. Even the 1-member AFP had a section dedicated to creating a platform.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

I'm generally in favor of these bylaws and assume passing them will be our first step. Perhaps there should be a section dedicated directly to the creation of a platform? There are a couple of references to it throughout the current proposal.

Good idea, proposing this edit:

Article 5. Platform and Amendments

Section 1. Platform Adoption

Democratic Alliance shall adopt a platform at the beginning of each convention with input from party members, using the amendment process described in Section 3 of this Article.

Section 2. Amendment Proposals

Any party member may propose an amendment to the party bylaws or platform.

Section 3. Amendment Process

Amendments to the party bylaws or platform shall happen as follows: party members shall have 24 hours to object to a proposed amendment; if there are no objections, the amendment shall be adopted; otherwise, if there is an objection, a vote lasting 48 hours shall be held on whether to adopt or reject the amendment, requiring a simple majority to pass.

[fhtagn]

These are vague platitudes, not a real ideology. The question we need to ask is what real ideology are you trying to disguise? The obvious answer is the same right-wing ideology of the Federalist Party, opposed to our sensible progressive policies.

Or maybe progressive policies while also opposing the single party dominance that the Labor party has?

You’re literally a right-winger lol.

ASV a 'right winger'? Are you trying to get into comedy Peri? Maybe you should stick to doing your job as the President rather than continue the proud tradition of lazy labor libel.

I mean ASV is clearly a right winger despite not being formally affiliated with the Federalists. That is clear as day.

lol, no he isn't

[Former President tack50]

These are vague platitudes, not a real ideology. The question we need to ask is what real ideology are you trying to disguise? The obvious answer is the same right-wing ideology of the Federalist Party, opposed to our sensible progressive policies.

Or maybe progressive policies while also opposing the single party dominance that the Labor party has?

You’re literally a right-winger lol.

ASV a 'right winger'? Are you trying to get into comedy Peri? Maybe you should stick to doing your job as the President rather than continue the proud tradition of lazy labor libel.

I mean ASV is clearly a right winger despite not being formally affiliated with the Federalists. That is clear as day.

lol, no he isn't

Care to clarify how?

To my knowledge ASV stands for low taxes, defending business and what not

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

can you all please take this somewhere else, at this point it's just cluttering up actual business.

[Sestak]

Democratic Alliance believes in working to create pragmatic solutions to the problems facing Atlasia.

the most generic meme centrist take possible

Only with a party of elected leaders who will work with all sides to achieve moderate, common-sense solutions will Atlasia truly succeed and prosper.

the middle is always right because it is the middle

Democratic Alliance believes in open leadership and transparency, and finding ways to involve new players, rather than just using them for votes.

Party consists only of has-beens.

Democratic Alliance believes in activity, both while in office and during campaigning, and holding our elected officials accountable for their activity levels.

This is easy to say when you have barely any elected officials.

Democratic Alliance believes elected officials should decide how they vote on policy without pressure from party leaders.

We have literally no beliefs and our members are going to do whatever the ****! We stand for literally nothing!

Democratic Alliance believes in not letting elections go uncontested, as to always provide voters an alternative choice on the ballot to let their voices be heard.

So starting a new party solely for the sake of having a new party.

Democratic Alliance is a firm believer in capitalism with regulations necessary to protect consumers and ensure fair business practices where needed.

"necessary regulations should be implemented when necessary". Galaxy Brain.

The welfare and other social programs that help citizens should be protected from harmful funding cuts.

As opposed to, presumably, the welfare and social programs that don't help citizens? And conveniently you haven't told anyone which is which.

Outsourcing of Atlasian jobs by businesses should be limited through fair trade agreements and tax repercussions for companies that do outsource.

So "fair trade" has over time meant anything from "almost free trade with a bit of red tape thrown in" to "protectionism but with a nicer sounding name". Given that you have both free-traders like Ninja and protectionists like Jimmy, we really have no clue what you're actually saying here.

Incentives should be created to encourage businesses to move operations back to Atlasia and create jobs.

Incentives like...what? tax cuts? lower wages? reduced worker protections?

Democratic Alliance views global warming as a serious issue, and believes actions must be taken to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases.

Oh, good! In complete agreement with you there! What actions are you proposing?

This includes investment in clean energy development and production, especially in areas with economies based around fossil fuels. By incentivizing private businesses, Atlasia can continue to innovate and develop more green infrastructure and technologies, and create good paying jobs.

...so 'actions must be taken' means 'pass it off to the private sector and hope for the best'. Good to know!

Protecting public lands and waters, and the wildlife that live in them is important for the future of Atlasia. Balancing development with these goals will be key to ensure our environment will be protected for future generations.

wow, we need to "balance development and public lands and wildlife". What a clear, revolutionary concept!

Democratic Alliance recognizes Atlasia has a role to play in the security of countries around the world, but believes Atlasia should avoid war whenever possible through the use of diplomacy.

Atlasia has "a role to play" but not *too much* "of a role to play". Nice to know, very useful. Also war bad. Wow. As if every major political party in Atlasia didn't already support this.

Strategic cuts to defense spending where practical should be made.

Wow, softening with just one of "strategic" and "where practical" wasn't enough? You really had to use both?

Investment in infrastructure development and maintenance to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure will create jobs and modernize Atlasia.

Wow, so brave. Yet again saying you support something that literally everyone and every party in Atlasia supports.

Investments should also be made into programs for helping our communities suffering from economic decline to rebound.

Which programs? What do we define as a 'rebound'? Is gentrifying a neighborhood a 'rebound'?

Democratic Alliance believes in the constitutional right to own guns, and supports responsible gun ownership alongside reasonable measures to prevent gun violence such as comprehensive background checks...

Support guns, but not too much. Given that your party contains Jimmy, Ninja, and ASV, who are some of the strongest pushers of gun control in the game, and also people like tmth who are very much pro-gun, this is quite obviously a joke plank. I mean, the only policies you actually list here are something that's been done long ago...

and reformed sentencing laws for gun-related crimes.

...and "reformed sentencing laws" as a "measure to prevent gun violence". Unless I am mistaken here, this means you are calling for *increasing* sentencing and incarceration as a measure to fight gun violence. Wonderful. We found a concrete policy where DA stands apart...advocating for the acceleration of mass incarceration!

Democratic Alliance believes the right to have access to abortion services should not be restricted to women during their first 20 weeks of pregnancy

Isn't this just taken from the Labor platform?

Democratic Alliance supports a tax system with low taxes for the middle class and lower income citizens

So you believe in progressive taxation. Wow, what a unique concept.

and fair taxation rates for higher income levels.

except you're not even willing to say "higher taxation for higher income levels". Instead, "fair taxation". This is possibly the most meaningless phrase in this entire "platform", which is pretty remarkable.

Tax loopholes need to be closed so that no person can avoid paying the taxes they are supposed to.

Show of hands, how many players in Atlasia actually support "tax loopholes?" The question here is *always* - which tax credits etc. does one consider "loopholes" versus "worthwile and fair adjustments"? Which, once again, you completely fail to answer.

I'd be completely fine with this if it was done for just a few issues; every party has a few issues they have to waffle and not take positions on in order to keep a coalition in favor of its main positions. But when you do it for *every issue* it means you literally stand for nothing. At this point all I'm waiting to see here is a platform point about what the shape of our democracy should be.

[tmthforu94]

I'm generally in favor of these bylaws and assume passing them will be our first step. Perhaps there should be a section dedicated directly to the creation of a platform? There are a couple of references to it throughout the current proposal.

Good idea, proposing this edit:

Article 5. Platform and Amendments

Section 1. Platform Adoption

Democratic Alliance shall adopt a platform at the beginning of each convention with input from party members, using the amendment process described in Section 3 of this Article.

Section 2. Amendment Proposals

Any party member may propose an amendment to the party bylaws or platform.

Section 3. Amendment Process

Amendments to the party bylaws or platform shall happen as follows: party members shall have 24 hours to object to a proposed amendment; if there are no objections, the amendment shall be adopted; otherwise, if there is an objection, a vote lasting 48 hours shall be held on whether to adopt or reject the amendment, requiring a simple majority to pass.

This looks good and accomplishes my concern.

I'm content with everything else and will vote in favor of adopting.

[RC (a la Frémont)]

I'm very disappointed with our friends in the Labor party. I get you're all insecure about losing literally any election, but I assure you all that losing is natural. Bitching in a new party's thread isn't gonna change anything, forming a new party that actually cares about and represents people with left-wing values will. Now, I know the President and Vice President have more important jobs to do, so I'd recommend they do what their constituents elected to do instead of being so petty and childish.

As for distracting conversations from leaders on the left and right, please refrain.

[Pericles]

I'm very disappointed with our friends in the Labor party. I get you're all insecure about losing literally any election, but I assure you all that losing is natural. Bitching in a new party's thread isn't gonna change anything, forming a new party that actually cares about and represents people with left-wing values will. Now, I know the President and Vice President have more important jobs to do, so I'd recommend they do what their constituents elected to do instead of being so petty and childish.

As for distracting conversations from leaders on the left and right, please refrain.

If you actually are offering something good, you should be able to substantively rebut criticism. Whining about incivility instead as you like to do just makes you look like an empty suit.

[RC (a la Frémont)]

I'm very disappointed with our friends in the Labor party. I get you're all insecure about losing literally any election, but I assure you all that losing is natural. Bitching in a new party's thread isn't gonna change anything, forming a new party that actually cares about and represents people with left-wing values will. Now, I know the President and Vice President have more important jobs to do, so I'd recommend they do what their constituents elected to do instead of being so petty and childish.

As for distracting conversations from leaders on the left and right, please refrain.

If you actually are offering something good, you should be able to substantively rebut criticism. Whining about incivility instead as you like to do just makes you look like an empty suit.

You're the only one I see whining.

[West_Midlander]

Apparently Ses thinks a party can't be a big-tent.

Peri, Atlasia is not a legal one-party state, even if you want it to be.

[Mike Thick]

Apparently Ses thinks a party can't be a big-tent.

Peri, Atlasia is not a legal one-party state, even if you want it to be.

Labor is a big tent party. Feds have historically been a big tent conservative party. The difference is that, some recent Fed shenanigans aside, they both actually have a coherent ideology. That’s the criticism Ses was making — your platform is a list of meaningless platitudes, and it says almost nothing about what you guys will do if elected. So far, y’all have thrown around a lot of zingers, but haven’t actually addressed what he said. Curious!

Anyways, more competition in the game is always good. If you don’t want to address valid criticisms now, we’re happy to settle things at the ballot box.

[Continential]

x Ishan

[RC (a la Frémont)]

x Ishan

Welcome to the convention, glad you could be here!

[SevenEleven]

Interesting...well, as far as I can tell there's been no problems for Labor working with smaller parties such as Peace or Law and Justice. I look forward to working with you guys and wish you well--I'm sure starting a party from the ground up is a stressful task.

[RC (a la Frémont)]

Interesting...well, as far as I can tell there's been no problems for Labor working with smaller parties such as Peace or Law and Justice. I look forward to working with you guys and wish you well--I'm sure starting a party from the ground up is a stressful task.

Thank you for the kind words! We are very excited to work with people on both sides of the aisle and will be supporting strong and active candidates like yourself.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

Proposed Democratic Alliance Bylaws

Article 1. Membership and Voting

Section 1. Registration

All voters registered under “Democratic Alliance” or “Democratic Alliance Party” shall be considered full members of this party.

Section 2. Voting

All voters registered under “Democratic Alliance” or “Democratic Alliance Party” shall have any vote cast of theirs in the convention counted.

Section 3. Instant-runoff Voting

In votes using instant-runoff voting, an “X” shall count as the highest and only preference, and ties shall be broken through either which ballot choice got the most first preferences, or through a runoff in the event of tied first preferences, unless in the case of a leadership election, if one candidate concedes by posting in the convention thread.

Section 4. Vote Abstentions

Abstain votes are not counted in the vote totals or percentage requirement for any election.

Article 2. Conventions

Section 1. Schedule

The Democratic Alliance Convention shall take place in the months of February, April, June, August, October, and December, beginning on the first day of such month, and closed on the last day of the month following such month.

Section 2. Location

The Democratic Alliance Convention shall take place in a nominated city in the Region of Fremont in the months of February and August, the Region of Lincoln in the months of April and October, and the Region of the South in the months of June and December.

Section 3. Business

Each Democratic Alliance Convention shall have the following business: voting on party bylaws and platform amendments, voting on party endorsements, nominating the city for the next convention, and electing party officers.

Section 4. Location Nomination Process

The city for the next Democratic Alliance Convention shall be nominated during the last week of the convention as follows: party members shall have 48 hours to nominate one or more cities of their choice, all nominated cities located in the region as determined in Article 1, Section 2 shall be put on a ballot, and party members shall have 48 hours to vote to determine the nominated city through instant-runoff voting.

Article 3. Officers

Section 1. Officer Structure

The Democratic Alliance Convention shall have an elected Chair and Vice Chair, with other roles appointed at the discretion of the Chair.

Section 2. Officer Elections

The Democratic Alliance Convention shall hold an election for Chair and Vice Chair during the second to last week of the conventions that start in the months of April, August, and December as follows: party members shall have 48 hours to nominate one or more members of their choice for either of the positions, all nominated members shall be put on a ballot, and party members shall have 48 hours to vote to elect the Chair and Vice Chair through instant-runoff voting.

Section 3. Chair Powers

The Democratic Alliance Convention Chair shall be the official leader of the party, manage the convention and any votes that take place, and create additional positions as they see fit and appoint party members to them.

Section 4. Vice Chair Powers

The Democratic Alliance Convention Vice Chair shall temporarily assume the powers of the Chair in the case of the Chair’s absence for 48 hours during party business, a leave of absence, or resignation, until they return; the Vice Chair shall become the Chair if the current Chair is absent for more than 168 hours during party business without a posted leave of absence, or if the Chair resigns.

Article 4. Endorsements

Section 1. Automatic Endorsements

A Democratic Alliance candidate/ticket running for an office shall be automatically endorsed, unless there is an objection raised by a party member against such endorsement, if they are the only candidate/ticket running in a single-seat election, or if the number of Democratic Alliance candidates running is equal to or less than the number of seats needed to hold a majority in such legislature in a multi-seat election.

Section 2. Endorsements of Candidates From Other Parties

A candidate who is not a member of Democratic Alliance may request an endorsement for an upcoming election that is taking place no more than 30 days later.

Section 3. Endorsement Vote Schedule

All endorsement votes shall begin 3 weeks before such election is scheduled to take place; in the case no Democratic Alliance candidate/ticket running for an office, the endorsement vote for such office shall be held 1 week before such election is scheduled to take place.

Section 4. Endorsement Vote Process

If two or more Democratic Alliance candidates/tickets running in the same single-seat election, if the number of Democratic Alliance candidates running greater than the number of seats needed to hold a majority in such legislature in a multi-seat election, or if an objection was raised by a party member against an automatic endorsement of a Democratic Alliance candidate/ticket, a primary hall be held as follows: the applicable candidates for each office should each be put on a ballot, and party members shall have 48 hours to vote to determine which candidate or candidates shall receive full support in the election from the party through instant-runoff voting; a Democratic Alliance candidate/ticket needs a simple majority of support, and a non-party candidate needs a 60% majority of support to be endorsed, unless there is no Democratic Alliance candidate/ticket running for such office, where in such case a non-party candidate only needs a simple majority of support to be endorsed.

Article 5. Platform and Amendments

Section 1. Platform Adoption

Democratic Alliance shall adopt a platform at the beginning of each convention with input from party members, using the amendment process described in Section 3 of this Article.

Section 2. Amendment Proposals

Any party member may propose an amendment to the party bylaws or platform.

Section 3. Amendment Process

Amendments to the party bylaws or platform shall happen as follows: party members shall have 24 hours to object to a proposed amendment; if there are no objections, the amendment shall be adopted; otherwise, if there is an objection, a vote lasting 48 hours shall be held on whether to adopt or reject the amendment, requiring a simple majority to pass.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

A vote on whether to adopt the official bylaws posted above has started.

The vote will last 48 hours. Please vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.