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Question: Do you pronounce 'cot' and 'caught' the same way?
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Yes, I pronounce 'cot' and 'caught' the same way		  
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No, I pronounce 'cot' and 'caught' differently		  
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« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2020, 07:44:58 AM »
Quote from: Lechasseur on July 06, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: Timberwolf on July 06, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
No, I pronounce "cot" like "caht" and "caught" like "cawt."

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Same for me

Wait, “caht”? As in, cot rhymes with bat?
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« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2020, 09:37:12 AM »
I have the merger. As BRTD noted, Minnesota is a weird liminal zone, and I seem to have gone with the western variant.
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« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2020, 12:46:41 PM »
Quote from: Lechasseur on July 18, 2020, 03:52:04 AM
Quote from: True Federalist on July 18, 2020, 01:21:40 AM
Quote from: Sev on July 17, 2020, 10:05:29 PM
Those three extra letters aren't there just to make spelling more difficult ..

Only two are.  If English had some mechanism to reform spelling, "caught" would be "caut".

The "gh" was pronounced back in the day and was pronounced like the German "ch".

I'm aware of that, but save for maybe a few very minor dialects, it's not pronounced now, so it shouldn't be in the spelling now.
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« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2020, 03:57:56 PM »
Quote from: True Federalist on July 18, 2020, 12:46:41 PM
Quote from: Lechasseur on July 18, 2020, 03:52:04 AM
Quote from: True Federalist on July 18, 2020, 01:21:40 AM
Quote from: Sev on July 17, 2020, 10:05:29 PM
Those three extra letters aren't there just to make spelling more difficult ..

Only two are.  If English had some mechanism to reform spelling, "caught" would be "caut".

The "gh" was pronounced back in the day and was pronounced like the German "ch".

I'm aware of that, but save for maybe a few very minor dialects, it's not pronounced now, so it shouldn't be in the spelling now.

English spelling is a crapshoot.
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« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2020, 10:06:14 PM »
Quote from: L.D. Smith on July 18, 2020, 03:57:56 PM
Quote from: True Federalist on July 18, 2020, 12:46:41 PM
Quote from: Lechasseur on July 18, 2020, 03:52:04 AM
Quote from: True Federalist on July 18, 2020, 01:21:40 AM
Quote from: Sev on July 17, 2020, 10:05:29 PM
Those three extra letters aren't there just to make spelling more difficult ..

Only two are.  If English had some mechanism to reform spelling, "caught" would be "caut".

The "gh" was pronounced back in the day and was pronounced like the German "ch".

I'm aware of that, but save for maybe a few very minor dialects, it's not pronounced now, so it shouldn't be in the spelling now.

English spelling is a crapshoot.

Not quite, but it is something only a philologist could love.
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« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2020, 10:33:40 PM »
Quote from: Kingpoleon on July 18, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: Lechasseur on July 06, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: Timberwolf on July 06, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
No, I pronounce "cot" like "caht" and "caught" like "cawt."

This

Same for me

Wait, “caht”? As in, cot rhymes with bat?

Isn't that like an Upper Midwest thing? It's like a very nasally accent. It makes Wisconsin sound more like Wiscansin (a as in can).

As to the question/poll, my answer is yes.
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« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2020, 10:57:47 PM »
« Edited: July 18, 2020, 11:06:57 PM by L.D. Smith »
Quote from: True Federalist on July 18, 2020, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: L.D. Smith on July 18, 2020, 03:57:56 PM
Quote from: True Federalist on July 18, 2020, 12:46:41 PM
Quote from: Lechasseur on July 18, 2020, 03:52:04 AM
Quote from: True Federalist on July 18, 2020, 01:21:40 AM
Quote from: Sev on July 17, 2020, 10:05:29 PM
Those three extra letters aren't there just to make spelling more difficult ..

Only two are.  If English had some mechanism to reform spelling, "caught" would be "caut".

The "gh" was pronounced back in the day and was pronounced like the German "ch".

I'm aware of that, but save for maybe a few very minor dialects, it's not pronounced now, so it shouldn't be in the spelling now.

English spelling is a crapshoot.

Not quite, but it is something only a philologist could love.

Eh, pretty much.

I'm sure you know of the "ghoti" argument. Now is that supposed to be "gotty", "oat-ey", or "fishy?"
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« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2020, 03:16:50 AM »
Quote from: Kingpoleon on July 18, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: Lechasseur on July 06, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: Timberwolf on July 06, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
No, I pronounce "cot" like "caht" and "caught" like "cawt."

This

Same for me

Wait, “caht”? As in, cot rhymes with bat?

I pronounce the o in cot like the a in father
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« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2020, 08:56:39 AM »
What is it with Seppos not being able to say words properly?

If anything Court and Caught should be the bloody issue people have.
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« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2020, 12:28:39 PM »
Quote from: politicallefty on July 18, 2020, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: Kingpoleon on July 18, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
Quote from: Lechasseur on July 06, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: Timberwolf on July 06, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
No, I pronounce "cot" like "caht" and "caught" like "cawt."

This

Same for me

Wait, “caht”? As in, cot rhymes with bat?

Isn't that like an Upper Midwest thing? It's like a very nasally accent. It makes Wisconsin sound more like Wiscansin (a as in can).

That's a different vowel shift, the Northern Cities Vowel Shift.

I recommend not trying to use English orthography to describe vowels (American English has, like, 14 monophthongs that we've for some reason decided to represent using 5 letters, let alone our diphthongs)... if you folks want to clarify, make recordings and upload them somewhere.
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« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2020, 04:09:51 PM »
Quote from: Southern Speaker Muad'dib (OSR MSR) on July 19, 2020, 08:56:39 AM
What is it with Seppos not being able to say words properly?

If anything Court and Caught should be the bloody issue people have.

Yep, the definitely sound more alike than caught and cot

With me, none are the same (although the r does lengthen the vowel rather than being a hard r) but court and caught are way closer than caught and cot
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