Kanye is out (UPDATE: Kanye is in again)

[Dr. Arch]

There’s ALOT of enthusiasm on Twitter about his supposed candidacy from young people who say they hate both candidates and think they’re both equally bad (which I disagree with). I know twitter doesn’t matter and it didn’t help Bernie or Cenk, but still, it’s really scary the level of apathy I’ve seen. The level of disillusionment.

Lol.  The youth are apathetic and disillusioned?  When have the youth not been apathetic and disillusioned?

When they turned out in droves for the optimistic 2008 candidacy of Barack Obama (their turnout has been differential in other elections to significant extents, such as the 2018 midterms, but that's probably the best example of an unambiguously positive vote). Their disillusionment has grown in line with an increasingly common sentiment within other sections of society.

Literally no one who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 is in the "youth" age demographic now.

So? They were talking about the youth cohort of that time compared to the current youth cohort. Not to mention the 2008 youth are now 2020 millennial adults, who I aren't exactly enthused by Trump or Biden.

False equivalence at its finest.

An empty criticism, at best. Unless you have data demonstrating that Obama youth voters are un-disillusioned and are in fact enthusiastic about any candidate?

Sure. Just look at literally any poll with generational/age bracket breakdowns for support and/or enthusiasm.

Or are you seriously saying that millennials are just as unenthused in voting for Biden as they detest Trump? That's as ridiculous as it gets.

P.S. If you'd like substantive criticism, consider making substantive claims first. You have no data to back up your initial position.

[beaver2.0]

If I have to see another yute saying "Well Biden and Trump are both bad" and using that as justification for Kanye I'm going to lose my sh**t.  Yeah, neither of the major candidates are great but voting for the guy that said slavery is a choice is hardly better.

[Damocles]

I hate this timeline.

[͘]

I hate this timeline.

This timeline is better when you are learning Russian. Don't let the media crush your dreams.

[Damocles]

This timeline is better when you are learning Russian.

Beyond just Tatu and Vitas lyrics? 

[͘]

This timeline is better when you are learning Russian.

Beyond just Tatu and Vitas lyrics? 

My morale is still pretty high, and I might do that.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://twitter.com/maddenifico/status/1280262086153691137?s=19

[Damocles]

https://twitter.com/maddenifico/status/1280262086153691137?s=19

Nothing surprises me anymore.

[JRP1994]

This could have been avoided, if Bernie or Warren or Booker would have been the nominees.

Of course a third party candidate was open to coming into the race and Michael Moore said this to mess up Biden's chances in MI, PA and WI since the Dems didn't have a real primary

How on earth would Cory Booker have been relevant to this?

[Donerail]

https://twitter.com/maddenifico/status/1280262086153691137?s=19

"I remember I couldn't afford a Ford Escort
Or even a four-track recorder
So it's only right that I let the top drop on a drop-top Porsche
It's for yourself, that's important"
–Kanye West, Diamonds From Sierra Leone

[NYSforKennedy2024]

All of you hating on a minority entrepreneur using what he has available to him to his advantage.

Sad!

[Woody]

Source: https://www.etonline.com/kanye-west-is-serious-about-running-for-president-source-says-149208

Kanye West's presidential hopes are real, a source tells ET. Days after the 43-year-old rapper took to Twitter to share that he intends to run for president in 2020, a source close to him tells ET that the announcement wasn't a joke.

"Kanye is telling people close to him that his announcement of running for president is serious," the source says. [He] has been toying with the idea for a while and has been getting more and more into politics."

The source notes that West's wife, Kim Kardashian West, and his family and friends "fully support his dream to run for president," adding that they "feel he has more to offer than what people think."

"Kanye has talked to several high-powered friends over the years about his idea and has gotten their support behind closed doors," the source adds.

Game over dems

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Source: https://www.etonline.com/kanye-west-is-serious-about-running-for-president-source-says-149208

Kanye West's presidential hopes are real, a source tells ET. Days after the 43-year-old rapper took to Twitter to share that he intends to run for president in 2020, a source close to him tells ET that the announcement wasn't a joke.

"Kanye is telling people close to him that his announcement of running for president is serious," the source says. [He] has been toying with the idea for a while and has been getting more and more into politics."

The source notes that West's wife, Kim Kardashian West, and his family and friends "fully support his dream to run for president," adding that they "feel he has more to offer than what people think."

"Kanye has talked to several high-powered friends over the years about his idea and has gotten their support behind closed doors," the source adds.

Game over dems

High-powered friends and being "serious" is fine, but if Kanye actually wants to launch a late Indy bid, he needs to book it.  He's already missed the ballot filing deadlines for a number of states. 

[Battista Minola 1616]

Source: https://www.etonline.com/kanye-west-is-serious-about-running-for-president-source-says-149208

Kanye West's presidential hopes are real, a source tells ET. Days after the 43-year-old rapper took to Twitter to share that he intends to run for president in 2020, a source close to him tells ET that the announcement wasn't a joke.

"Kanye is telling people close to him that his announcement of running for president is serious," the source says. [He] has been toying with the idea for a while and has been getting more and more into politics."

The source notes that West's wife, Kim Kardashian West, and his family and friends "fully support his dream to run for president," adding that they "feel he has more to offer than what people think."

"Kanye has talked to several high-powered friends over the years about his idea and has gotten their support behind closed doors," the source adds.

Game over dems

Ah well the famous reliability of anonymous sources...

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Source: https://www.etonline.com/kanye-west-is-serious-about-running-for-president-source-says-149208

Kanye West's presidential hopes are real, a source tells ET. Days after the 43-year-old rapper took to Twitter to share that he intends to run for president in 2020, a source close to him tells ET that the announcement wasn't a joke.

"Kanye is telling people close to him that his announcement of running for president is serious," the source says. [He] has been toying with the idea for a while and has been getting more and more into politics."

The source notes that West's wife, Kim Kardashian West, and his family and friends "fully support his dream to run for president," adding that they "feel he has more to offer than what people think."

"Kanye has talked to several high-powered friends over the years about his idea and has gotten their support behind closed doors," the source adds.

Game over dems

Ah well the famous reliability of anonymous sources...

It wouldn't shock me if Kanye was serious about running for President.  But there's a big difference between being serious about a run for President and actually getting the proper infrastructure and ballot filings behind you. 

His biggest issue right now would likely be actually collecting the required physical signatures in each state. 

[Torrain]

Source: https://www.etonline.com/kanye-west-is-serious-about-running-for-president-source-says-149208

Kanye West's presidential hopes are real, a source tells ET. Days after the 43-year-old rapper took to Twitter to share that he intends to run for president in 2020, a source close to him tells ET that the announcement wasn't a joke.

"Kanye is telling people close to him that his announcement of running for president is serious," the source says. [He] has been toying with the idea for a while and has been getting more and more into politics."

The source notes that West's wife, Kim Kardashian West, and his family and friends "fully support his dream to run for president," adding that they "feel he has more to offer than what people think."

"Kanye has talked to several high-powered friends over the years about his idea and has gotten their support behind closed doors," the source adds.

Game over dems

I refuse to waste a minute more on this nonsense until he puts money on the table, and signatures on ballot petitions.

[Battista Minola 1616]

Source: https://www.etonline.com/kanye-west-is-serious-about-running-for-president-source-says-149208

Kanye West's presidential hopes are real, a source tells ET. Days after the 43-year-old rapper took to Twitter to share that he intends to run for president in 2020, a source close to him tells ET that the announcement wasn't a joke.

"Kanye is telling people close to him that his announcement of running for president is serious," the source says. [He] has been toying with the idea for a while and has been getting more and more into politics."

The source notes that West's wife, Kim Kardashian West, and his family and friends "fully support his dream to run for president," adding that they "feel he has more to offer than what people think."

"Kanye has talked to several high-powered friends over the years about his idea and has gotten their support behind closed doors," the source adds.

Game over dems

Ah well the famous reliability of anonymous sources...

It wouldn't shock me if Kanye was serious about running for President.  But there's a big difference between being serious about a run for President and actually getting the proper infrastructure and ballot filings behind you. 

His biggest issue right now would likely be actually collecting the required physical signatures in each state. 

Yeah this is freaking overtime for collecting signatures.
One thing is certain: West has got an amount of free media coverage that only rivals Trump's.

[Oryxslayer]

The barest of bare minimums is an exploratory committee and an FEC filing. Until those two are in place, everyone should treat this as the popularity stunt it is.

[AltWorlder]

There’s ALOT of enthusiasm on Twitter about his supposed candidacy from young people who say they hate both candidates and think they’re both equally bad (which I disagree with). I know twitter doesn’t matter and it didn’t help Bernie or Cenk, but still, it’s really scary the level of apathy I’ve seen. The level of disillusionment.

Lol.  The youth are apathetic and disillusioned?  When have the youth not been apathetic and disillusioned?

When they turned out in droves for the optimistic 2008 candidacy of Barack Obama (their turnout has been differential in other elections to significant extents, such as the 2018 midterms, but that's probably the best example of an unambiguously positive vote). Their disillusionment has grown in line with an increasingly common sentiment within other sections of society.

Literally no one who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 is in the "youth" age demographic now.

So? They were talking about the youth cohort of that time compared to the current youth cohort. Not to mention the 2008 youth are now 2020 millennial adults, who I aren't exactly enthused by Trump or Biden.

False equivalence at its finest.

An empty criticism, at best. Unless you have data demonstrating that Obama youth voters are un-disillusioned and are in fact enthusiastic about any candidate?

Sure. Just look at literally any poll with generational/age bracket breakdowns for support and/or enthusiasm.

Or are you seriously saying that millennials are just as unenthused in voting for Biden as they detest Trump? That's as ridiculous as it gets.

P.S. If you'd like substantive criticism, consider making substantive claims first. You have no data to back up your initial position.

They sure weren't great fans of Biden during the primaries.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/young-democrats-have-rejected-biden-and-it-could-cost-him-the-nomination/

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/458631-biden-struggles-to-hit-it-off-with-millennials

They are voting for Biden now, yes, but that doesn't mean they're super happy about it.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/13/815333316/examining-joe-bidens-broad-coalition-of-voters

Why is it so hard to accept that the Democratic Party has often put up challengers against incumbent Republican presidents who are somewhat "safe" and unexciting candidates that youth voters aren't thrilled about? Bill Clinton being the major exception. The original point is that the youth aren't flocking to Biden the same way they did to Obama. And the broader point is that the youth are disillusioned. That doesn't mean they will abandon Biden to vote for West. Why are you so emotionally attached to Biden that you're unwilling to believe that others aren't?

[Dr. Arch]

There’s ALOT of enthusiasm on Twitter about his supposed candidacy from young people who say they hate both candidates and think they’re both equally bad (which I disagree with). I know twitter doesn’t matter and it didn’t help Bernie or Cenk, but still, it’s really scary the level of apathy I’ve seen. The level of disillusionment.

Lol.  The youth are apathetic and disillusioned?  When have the youth not been apathetic and disillusioned?

When they turned out in droves for the optimistic 2008 candidacy of Barack Obama (their turnout has been differential in other elections to significant extents, such as the 2018 midterms, but that's probably the best example of an unambiguously positive vote). Their disillusionment has grown in line with an increasingly common sentiment within other sections of society.

Literally no one who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 is in the "youth" age demographic now.

So? They were talking about the youth cohort of that time compared to the current youth cohort. Not to mention the 2008 youth are now 2020 millennial adults, who I aren't exactly enthused by Trump or Biden.

False equivalence at its finest.

An empty criticism, at best. Unless you have data demonstrating that Obama youth voters are un-disillusioned and are in fact enthusiastic about any candidate?

Sure. Just look at literally any poll with generational/age bracket breakdowns for support and/or enthusiasm.

Or are you seriously saying that millennials are just as unenthused in voting for Biden as they detest Trump? That's as ridiculous as it gets.

P.S. If you'd like substantive criticism, consider making substantive claims first. You have no data to back up your initial position.

They sure weren't great fans of Biden during the primaries.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/young-democrats-have-rejected-biden-and-it-could-cost-him-the-nomination/

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/458631-biden-struggles-to-hit-it-off-with-millennials

They are voting for Biden now, yes, but that doesn't mean they're super happy about it.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/13/815333316/examining-joe-bidens-broad-coalition-of-voters

Why is it so hard to accept that the Democratic Party has often put up challengers against incumbent Republican presidents who are somewhat "safe" and unexciting candidates that youth voters aren't thrilled about? Bill Clinton being the major exception. The original point is that the youth aren't flocking to Biden the same way they did to Obama. And the broader point is that the youth are disillusioned. That doesn't mean they will abandon Biden to vote for West. Why are you so emotionally attached to Biden that you're unwilling to believe that others aren't?

Primaries are irrelevant to the general when it was generally non-contentious, unlike 2016.

So you just took down your own talking point. Alright, thanks.

I'm not emotionally attached to Biden at all. I voted for Bernie in the primary, but I can safely say that, while I'm not a fan of Biden, I find him completely acceptable, and I find Trump absolutely detestable. Most Millenials would answer in the same way.

Assumptions just continually make your "case" worse. Just quit while you're ahead.

[AltWorlder]

So you just took down your own talking point. Alright, thanks.

You failed to grasp my original point. I wasn't saying that people are going to vote for West over Biden in appreciable numbers- if anything, I think West is a cross-appeal candidate who could potentially take votes from both candidates. My point is that the kids ain't alright and they're not happy. That's the main point. I was agreeing with the posts that talked about the general disaffection and political alienation of millennials and zoomers. I offer Bill Clinton and Obama as counterexamples of Democratic nominees who didn't inspire alienation.

I'm not emotionally attached to Biden at all. I voted for Bernie in the primary, but I can safely say that, while I'm not a fan of Biden, I find him completely acceptable, and I find Trump absolutely detestable. Most Millenials would answer in the same way.

Nothing I have said conflicts with that.

Assumptions just continually make your "case" worse. Just quit while you're ahead.

We're not arguing here, just talking past each other. So there's nothing to quit over. Not everything had to be a debate with a winner or loser.

[Dr. Arch]

So you just took down your own talking point. Alright, thanks.

You failed to grasp my original point. I wasn't saying that people are going to vote for West over Biden in appreciable numbers- if anything, I think West is a cross-appeal candidate who could potentially take votes from both candidates. My point is that the kids ain't alright and they're not happy. That's the main point. I was agreeing with the posts that talked about the general disaffection and political alienation of millennials and zoomers. I offer Bill Clinton and Obama as counterexamples of Democratic nominees who didn't inspire alienation.

I'm not emotionally attached to Biden at all. I voted for Bernie in the primary, but I can safely say that, while I'm not a fan of Biden, I find him completely acceptable, and I find Trump absolutely detestable. Most Millenials would answer in the same way.

Nothing I have said conflicts with that.

Assumptions just continually make your "case" worse. Just quit while you're ahead.

We're not arguing here, just talking past each other. So there's nothing to quit over. Not everything had to be a debate with a winner or loser.

Indeed. There's nothing to argue about because all of your posturing has been guided by contrarian platitudes and assumptions about me and a whole generation of voters.

Finally, Millennials ("Obama youth") aren't kids. Most are at, around, or over 30 at this point. Zoomers weren't even mentioned in the original post, so you are just adding and reinterpreting as you go.

[Tender Branson]

Why is the thread title still not changed ?

He is NOT in.

He hasn’t filed anything. He’s not collecting any signatures.

This thread is a fraud.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Kayne should have announced this back in April, publicity stunt

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

This could have been avoided, if Bernie or Warren or Booker would have been the nominees.

Of course a third party candidate was open to coming into the race and Michael Moore said this to mess up Biden's chances in MI, PA and WI since the Dems didn't have a real primary

How on earth would Cory Booker have been relevant to this?

This is the part where someone comes in to say "Justignore Olawakandi. He's a beloved forum institution and immune from any consequences his comments may bring, trolling or otherwise"