Dakota Access Pipeline ordered to shut down

[Joe Biden 2024]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/business/dakota-access-pipeline-shutdown/index.html

Ordered to shut down by August 5 for an in-depth environment review, a review which is expected to take 13 months.

[Sir Mohamed]

So. much. winning. We're sick and tired of winning.

[PSOL]

Hopefully this is permanent but I’m doubtful.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Hopefully this is permanent but I’m doubtful.

So you like seeing oil being transported by rail?

Pipelines are definitely safer and more ecologically friendly than other ways of transporting oil.

[Damocles]

So you like seeing oil being transported by rail?

Pipelines are definitely safer and more ecologically friendly than other ways of transporting oil.

Just ban oil. Ta-daahhhh! /s

[PSOL]

Hopefully this is permanent but I’m doubtful.

So you like seeing oil being transported by rail?

Pipelines are definitely safer and more ecologically friendly than other ways of transporting oil.

This pipeline in particular was leaking oil on an indigenous reservation that was threatening the inhabitants health, along with eminent domain being used to take land for commercial use against the wishes of the inhabitants. It should never have been built under those circumstances.

[T'Chenka]

How is this possible?

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=377381

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

So you like seeing oil being transported by rail?

Pipelines are definitely safer and more ecologically friendly than other ways of transporting oil.

Just ban oil. Ta-daahhhh! /s

That's what most pipeline haters would like to do, but know would never happen for the foreseeable future.

[PSOL]

So you like seeing oil being transported by rail?

Pipelines are definitely safer and more ecologically friendly than other ways of transporting oil.

Just ban oil. Ta-daahhhh! /s

That's what most pipeline haters would like to do, but know would never happen for the foreseeable future.

Well in this case it was mainly opposed as an act of anti-imperialism and indigenous sovereignty over their land, but ok, sometimes you get good byproducts such as weaning a state off of a limited and damaging fossil fuel.

[Koharu]

Pipelines being "safer" is up for debate. Just because you can't see the leaks and issues doesn't mean they're not happening, and oil corps have been caught trying to hide and cover up leaks. Transporting oil by rail keeps it visible and also makes people more aware of the dangers of oil, rather than keeping it out of sight and out of mind.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

So you like seeing oil being transported by rail?

Pipelines are definitely safer and more ecologically friendly than other ways of transporting oil.

Just ban oil. Ta-daahhhh! /s

That's what most pipeline haters would like to do, but know would never happen for the foreseeable future.

Well in this case it was mainly opposed as an act of anti-imperialism and indigenous sovereignty over their land, but ok, sometimes you get good byproducts such as weaning a state off of a limited and damaging fossil fuel.

I'll grant that anti-fossil fuel activists used every progressive cause they could find to try and stop DAPL, but if you think indigenous rights was a prime motivation for non-indigenous opponents of DAPL, I want to know what you're smoking and which hallucinogen it's been spiked with.

Unless this gets successfully appealed, DAPL will probably be shut down until at least 2026.  (I doubt Biden will allow the ACoE to do an honest EIS, and even if he only serves one term, between the time needed to do an EIS and to get DAPL out of mothballs, mid-2026 is the earliest it could safely resume operation.)

In some respects, the upstream fossil fuel industry in the Dakotas is probably glad of this decision, as it gives them a way to get out of contracts to transport oil that right now are losing them money.  So while it sucks for ET in particular, this judge is likely helping the oil industry overall rather than hurting it. So much for sticking it to the man.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

So you like seeing oil being transported by rail?

Pipelines are definitely safer and more ecologically friendly than other ways of transporting oil.

Just ban oil. Ta-daahhhh! /s

Why bother? Capitalism is ending fossil fuels, because they're not really that profitable anymore. Especially if we stop externalizing their costs, oil will end sooner rather than a little later. Like coal, it's basically already on the way out.

One of the interesting aspects of what passes for Mr. Trump's foreign policy is his mostly-consistent moves to make nice with Saudi Arabia and Russia, along with his focus on oil. It's like he wants to put the US into a globle-spanning Oil Axis. And like most of his grand ideas, he's fractally awful at it. The US doesn't benefit from being in an alliance with a bunch of resource-extraction dictatorships. And even if it would, he's done a terrible job at actually making it happen. And even if he could, fossil fuels are a declining power, not a rising one. And even if they weren't, US shale production probably isn't sustainable even if the medium-term.